DJ is correct, in that my underlying point is the risk of chanelling and the risk of accepting all revelations from the realm of the spirit unthinkingly and uncritically, particularly when these have not been actively sought, as the beings inspiring a person are then interfering with that person's freedom to make his own decisions. The real problem seems to be that people surrender to the first 'other-worldly' experiences to come their way.

Attempts to control people are not just undertaken by corrupt human beings, but also by demonic entities. This post was intended to show how this can happen, even to a man of good intentions, such as David Icke, and to illustrate the dangers of accepting our first spiritual revelations (in this case voices, followed by a state which could perhaps be described as 'mystical ecstasy' in Peru). This normally happens because such revelations come as a wondrous surprise, as it were, an experience of something we did not think existed before. It is, thus, a consequence of thinking too prosaically in the first place about the world and about life. That is why people like predictions so much, because they are vaguely mystical and we do not have to think about them, they will either occur or they won't, all we can do is passively wait and see if they come to pass or not.

I have explained the specific reason why I chose the title 'The Inspiration behind David Icke' in another post in this thread, but the post could just as easily have been subtitled 'The Problems associated with Chanelling Part.1', and 'Part. 2', this time with little, or no, reference to David Icke is pending!

We must strive to expose not just the deception of men on the plane of history, but also those behind them, pulling the strings in the background - be they members of secret societies, Masons and Jesuits, or active black magicians and Satanists, or demonic entities. Everything must be brought in to the light and examined thoroughly.

It is certainly not an attack on David Icke, as Esclarmonde seems to believe. Nor would I discourage anyone from visiting his web site, although, perhaps, more could be learnt, for example, at the websites of Sherman Skolnick, J. Orlin Grabbe, Jeff Rense, or from the articles by honest journalists such as Robert Fisk (of the Independent) and John Pilger.

Esclarmonde, I do live in Britain, although I have never considered myself English, nor even British. This may have something to do with having a German surname from a Polish grandfather, or it may not. It is said that the paternal grandfather forms the most important hereditary influence on a person's body and character (in so far as this is tied to hereditary), which may explain why certain groups are so keen to keep the identity of Adolf Hitler's paternal grandfather a secret, as this connection would reflect badly on their House.

Anyone may reproduce my posts wherever they wish, and they may freely chop and change paragraphs from different posts, and preferably they should include my email address, so people may contact me with questions, etc. (although as some you have discovered, due to ill-health the reply came take some time!). We must be accountable for what we write and post and I am perfectly happy for people to dissect my posts word for word if they wish. Think about what I say, it is what I believe, nothing more, nothing less. What I don't like is general insinuations as they are impossible to counter, as there is no specific allegations to respond to, just unconstructive slanders with not an iota of evidence to back them up. When I write on the teachings or symbolism of David Icke, I write on very specific aspects, which people can refute if they feel my interpretation is unjust or incorrect - there are, I hope, no general allegations against David the man. And this is why I am happy for anyone to post my comments to David himself. I am sure he would like an opportunity to respond and I am planning to post them to him under my own name anyway. I alone am accountable for what I say, not the forum, and, in any case, I am very conscious of the implications of all my statements and, therefore, am careful to word them in such a way that no-one could be open to legal threats (as anyone who re-reads them will see).

And, as a foot note to Ben's post on crop circles, which seems to be referring to me, although, sadly, again not openly: I am not uneasy with anything said by anyone.We are all after the Truth and I am simply contributing what I believe and how it relates to the deceptions of our age. What I would encourage is people to post what they believe in, as I do, and as you do, and I am not in favour of censoring anyone, not David Icke, not Esclarmonde. We are all on a personal quest, others can simply help us (or hinder us) in our personal search for the truth. All I say, after Kant, is have courage to use one's own powers of rational thought and to apply it to everything, be they claiming to be revelations regarding this world or the spiritual world. We must not surrender that freedom for anyone, or any being. The more people who post what they believe and what they have discovered regarding the world situation today, the better the chances that we all will all encounter some aspect of the Truth. Visit as many sites as you can, read as many different 'teachers' as you can, then you will be in a far better position to judge what the Truth is. As with any other decision in life, the more different view points we have encountered, the more confidently we can define our own relationship to the Truth. On a personal level, the man whose works I would recommend as a tool for understanding our situation in the world, is Rudolf Steiner, many of whose works can be found at http://www.elib.com/Steiner/eLib.php3 . Note that in contrast with the Jesuits, for whom Steiner is probably their greatest enemy, a fair proportion of his works regarding his conscious spiritual experiences are available freely online. As for Esclamonde being female, it is irrelevant to me and not something I consider when I post my replies; I address every one as an individual human beings, not a race or a gender. The language of reason and of the spirit is universal.

Ben, does this refer to me "Perchance, because the truth makes them scared, or perhaps because they don't welcome the truth for others to ponder about."?, because if it does, I prefer specific allegations, as it is obviously difficult to respond to general insinuations. If you have specific problems, please put them in writing so I can respond and not hide behind wishy-washy statements. As for not welcoming people 'pondering about truth' where have I ever said or implied this???!!! The only time I would prefer silence is when people are too cowardly to make specific allegations, or simply cannot be bothered to read what I have said previously regarding the matter - forcing me to endlessly waste my limited resources defending myself, instead of writing posts which might help people in their personal quests for the truth. As someone once said 'Put up or shut up', but don't hover in the middle to prevent me from defending myself properly! If you have specific allegations which are not answered here or elsewhere then I will be happy to respond, either privately or publically.

Rixon - Hope the first part of the previous paragraph answers your question. I am all too familiar with email problems, perhaps you should sign up with a web-based service such as www.hotmail.com - there you only need a user name and a password to access your emails. In an earlier email which you did not received I asked you what the bookshop was in London which you said was under-surveillance by the Security Services (or the SS for short!), as I used to attend meetings in a certain bookshop near Holborn tube station (perhaps this vague wording will feed Esclarmonde's suspicions of us, but I should not really post the name of the bookshop on the forum). I receive your emails, so you can send me your reply, rather than turning the forum into a private email service!