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My Agenda

Posted By: Novaliz
Date: Friday, 13-Apr-2001 10:03:52
www.rumormill.news/8510

In Response To: The Hidden Symbolism of David Icke? (Novaliz)

I wrote this post primarily as a response to Esclarmonde who closed his post by enquiring about my 'agenda'.

Firstly, if you are asking what my 'agenda' was when I wrote the ideas contained in the post, the answer is none. The thoughts occurred to me once I realized that David Icke's portal page is a parody of the image of the Seventh Angel of the Apocalypse, who is extremely significant for our age as he stands as a Guardian of the Threshold. Having written the initial thoughts down it puzzled me why David Icke could have a page that was susceptible to such a negative interpretation.

If, on the other hand, you are asking what my 'agenda' in general regarding David Icke is I would say the following. Firstly, as I stated I have never met David, I have nothing against him personally and I am not in a position to criticize him as a person, in regard to what his true intentions are. However, what I do feel I have to counter is David Icke the Teacher, as he is spreading untruth in the world, people are believing in untruths because of him. I feel it necessary to challenge him only because he is setting himself up as a TEACHER of man. He is not saying this is what I believe, which I would not have a problem with, but he seeks to establish himself as an authority on such affairs when he has no right to do so. This can only be a consequence of egotism and, hence, it can rightly be designated as luciferic - a consequence of the luciferic temptation of man, not because that person consciously worships Lucifer (I do not use 'luciferic' as an emotive term, for we all have to find a path between the opposing temptations of the ahrimanic and the luciferic powers, and we all have all probably fallen prey to one or other of the temptations at some point in our lives). What David's case perhaps shows is that if you are not careful to avoid excessive egotism then it is likely that you will fall into error.

This leads to the point that the subconscious effect of the image is to place David in a position of spiritual authority. He is above the yellow text in the position of the Angel, and not just any Angel, but a Guardian of the Threshold between the physical and the spiritual realms. My mention of the significance of the colours is not being pedantic, as such a structure has a definite effect on the soul of anyone who encounters that page. Such a structure and colour scheme has an effect on the soul because behind it is the archetypal image of the angel. David seems to using that effect to strengthen the image of himself as a teacher. And there are many people approaching such sites with a great subconscious yearning for Truth and if people are not adequately awake to what is going on, they might find themselves being influenced into to believing that David is a person who can help them find the spirit. There is a manipulation going on here and the worry is that it might be deliberate.

And why do people believe David's teachings (and some people really do believe them!)? I think mainly because of the age-old human instinct to believe in authority, even when, as in David's case, it is self-proclaimed.

When dealing with earthly affairs sensationalism is not a great problem, as ultimately earthly affairs themselves will prove a person's suppositions right or wrong - any wrongs in this sphere are naturally corrected in the course of time. However, to sensationalise the affairs of the spirit, even the workings of the demonic powers, is unacceptable as here there is no natural corrective for errors - and what my post hopefully shows is that David, firstly, is certainly not a Seer and, secondly, seems even to be blind his own symbolism, remarkable as his own website contains a large section on the power of symbolism. Maybe he is too busy gazing admiringly at that proud portrait at the top of the page to notice that the rest of the page is open to such a negative interpretation!

What arises, for me, out of my study of David's portal page are the following possibilities:

1 David is deliberately out to deceive people. This is possible but I am not in a position to judge this. Only David knows this and is he denies it I have no right to slander him in such a way nor to doubt that he believes that his conscious intentions are pure.

2 David is being deceived. In the light of what has been written by myself and by others this seems very likely.

Most importantly, it is evidence that David Icke is not a reliable teacher of man. No-one claiming to be in a position to educate mankind who had taken even the first steps towards acquiring true wisdom would ever dream of creating a portal page like David's. To create such a page which lays yourself open to an attack such as that which I mounted against it, shows that David is not adequately aware of the consequences of his actions. All the negative ideas that I had regarding the page were suggested by its content alone, and I am still puzzled why he should wish to use the imagery of pills. In essence it shows that David is not sufficiently awake.

In a quite objective sense the page is a parody of the Angelic image - compare it with the top image at http://www.geocities.com/eternalindividual/Angelseven.htm - and thus it places itself among the examples of anti-Christian activity in the world today. Anything with an anti-Christian slant unwittingly serves the preparations for the incarnation of the 'antichrist' (the Satanic/Ahrimanic power). It must make Satan feel more at ease with his own nature if men are themselves entangled in webs of lies and deceptions!

Incidentally, I am also glad that my post has enabled other people to bring their own misgivings to people's attention, and I did hope that people would respond to it with their own analysis of David Icke.

Let me end by repeating what I said earlier, I only wish to undermine David Icke as teacher, not as propagator of allegations of abuse in the world. Equally if David was content to outline what he believes then I would not have a problem - the problem is that he is setting himself up as a teacher, which he has no right to do and this, in my opinion, can only be the consequence of David being a victim of excessive personal egotism. There are better ways to expose abuses in the world. Compare the quiet, unassuming style of Sherman Skolnick's website to that of David's. Sherman doesn't feel a need to set himself up as a teacher, he is wholly concerned with exposing abuses of power, even if this should endanger his life and liberty. Maybe David hides behind his crazy teachings because he lacks the courage to let the real abuses take centre stage, as in doing so he would become a real danger to those working behind the scenes to corrupt man. Maybe David's egotism is two-fold: protecting his life at all costs, and asking people to acknowledge him as a leader of men. Remember David seems to be on the same power trip that those corrupt powers behind the scene are on. He wishes for people to accept him as a teacher, he wishes for men to regard him as an authority. Are not the powers behind the scenes striving for power over us?

I hope this clears up my 'agenda' and although I keep stressing that I do not wish to judge David, I must confess that I do still wonder whether he has some other agenda. Then again, it is likely that he is just naive and that his egotism, which many people seem to associate with him, is leaving him easy prey for the strong demonic forces of the age. And, for me, the fundamental problem in David's world, which in parts resembles a luciferic flight of fantasy, is that speculation often masquerades as fact and, when this speculation fails to correspond to truth, deception is brought into the world and people remain as caught up in error as they were in the first place and any genuine allegations remain unnoticed, hidden in a forest of lies and deception.



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Articles In This Thread

The Hidden Symbolism of David Icke?
Novaliz -- Thursday, 12-Apr-2001 14:12:21
David Seems Pretty Blatant About His Symbolism
Esclarmonde -- Thursday, 12-Apr-2001 15:42:41
Wake Up Dummy...
Rixon -- Thursday, 12-Apr-2001 18:59:38
Welcome to my Parlor....;o)
Esclarmonde -- Friday, 13-Apr-2001 12:55:46
What are you accusing me of?
Novaliz -- Friday, 13-Apr-2001 18:40:23
The SYMBOL BRAIN 'Rises from the Dead'
Esclarmonde -- Saturday, 14-Apr-2001 14:27:23
Re: Thank You
Novaliz -- Sunday, 15-Apr-2001 10:26:57
YO, RIXON
oliverhaddo -- Saturday, 14-Apr-2001 01:40:54
OK I'M SORRY
Rixon -- Saturday, 14-Apr-2001 07:17:19
HAVE A GOOD SPAR
oliverhaddo -- Saturday, 14-Apr-2001 08:43:42
Being Kind to Each Other....
Esclarmonde -- Saturday, 14-Apr-2001 14:50:50
Re: The Hidden Symbolism of David Icke?
Rixon -- Thursday, 12-Apr-2001 17:57:27
Icke-a conspiracy 'rock star'?
NexusMagazine -- Thursday, 12-Apr-2001 21:16:17
My Agenda
Novaliz -- Friday, 13-Apr-2001 10:03:52

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