: Of course it would never occur to you. What kind of esoteric
: education have you had so how would you know anyway?

Excuse me? Why would YOU PRESUME to know?

: "While David Icke is certainly a controversial
: personality, he doesn't pretend to hide it from anyone. He
: has created, like any music or movie star, an image ... his
: 'personality' to share information through."

: Yeah right, he has created a "controversial personality
: ..." but don't question what is behind the image or
: the forces that motivate it in the first place.

So, what is your point? I don't need nor require Mr. Icke NOR ANYONE ELSE to do my thinking for me. All I have said is that Mr. Icke is what he is: You take what he has to offer or you do not. That is a CHOICE that is up to each person who reads him. I have actually gotten some good information from him. Have also gotten some rotten stuff. But IT WAS ME THAT DECIDED. I DIDN'T HAVE TO RUN AWAY IN FEAR BECAUSE OF A SYMBOL OR TWO THAT I MAY DECIDE TO INTERPRET AS EVIL. Evil itself implies ignorance, and I am just as guilty as others for using it because it is such a great way to get the Other to respond without using their brain.

: As if to emphasize that you go on to say: "I no longer
: judge his material one way or another. I read it when it is
: appropriate, enjoy it for what it is, make no judgements
: about him. And think he is very much an angle (I meant the
: spelling) of light in dark corners."

: Exactly Esclarmonde. You are not supposed to make any
: "judgements about him" because that would reveal
: the forces behind him. There are hidden, darker forces
: using David Icke, although he probably doesn't even realise
: it himself.

And maybe YOU don't realize that this isn't true at all. How can you possibly know this to be true for anybody but your self? EVERYTHING in our lives is symbolic. Period. It is ALL based on Iconic Math. Symbol+Energy = icon. Every word is an 'icon'. Every piece of furniture, every cloud, EVERYTHING came from this. People get uncomfortable with pictorial symbolism because it WAKES up their Right Brain. AND ALL THE RELIGIONS AND GOVERNMENTS CAN't have that because then they lose control over us. So YOU'VE been programmed that if you see a Symbol and you happen to FEEL anything from it, then you'd best believe it is the Devil. And he is coming to geeeeeeetttt you! In this way THEY have managed to keep us ignorant. And you are buying into it here.

: And if you are not careful they are going to end up use you
: too.
(Pardon me, I'm laughing here...)
Oh...big threat...I'm really scared. See...here I am shaking in my boots...I might even die...wow! Imagine that! Like it's never happened before...

If I bought in to what you just said, I WOULD be indeed used by them Through YOU because you are fomenting FEAR! As though any of us do not have the brains with which to SEE who David Icke is and decide for ourselves. I don't need to like, love, or even agree with all that he says in order to cull out truths. I ACTUALLY HAVE A BRAIN THAT DOES THAT FOR ME.
BULLETIN: SO DO YOU! AND SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE.

I have in my life studied nearly every major (and several minor) religions; every 'hidden' knowledge I could 'unhide'. I have studied Zen, and Casteneda and Seth AND my personal favorite, Dr. Hubert Benoit and his absolutely phenomenal (but admittedly difficult) books LET GO! and The Supreme Doctrine. (He was a French Psychologist who undertook a massive study of D.T. Suzuki's Zen and attempted to relate it to western thought.) From ALL of these folks and many, many more, I have gotten bits and pieces of the Truth. Even my early Irish Catholic upbringing gave me many, many pieces hidden amongst the pomp and circumstance of the beautiful latin mass. But I didn't get lost in ANY of them longer than was necessary to gain what I needed. Then I threw out the stuff that didn't fit and went on to the next.

It has been a grand journey! Even Crowly (the worst), Cayce, Blavatsky (powerful and dark), Guerjeff(sp), Theosophy (which I found highly disagreeable), all had bits of truth hidden amongst their pages. I even read the Necronomicom and found it gave me a view of things most interesting. But I didn't STAY in any of those any more than I stayed in any of the others. My goal was not to BE someone else's ideas, but to UNDERSTAND HOW THEY GOT THEIR IDEAS; HOW THEY CAME TO THEIR CONCLUSIONS so that I might not have to reinvent the wheel in learning how to come to my own.

In any event, all of the Idea Makers, including Mr. Icke are just more fodder for Mind to sift through. It is true that the Mind tends to get pickier and pickier as time goes on, but it doesn't have to judge another's personality in order to glean the Other's information. If I'd been afraid because of the symbols on their pages then I would have missed out on some of the richest pieces of this amazing Tapestry in which we live.

Fear of symbols is simply the NWO's way of keeping us ignorant.
When you have no fear you get to find out what is behind them and use your OWN brain to DISCERN what is real. Sure, it stumbles now and then and you have to pick yourself up. So what? That is how a child learns to walk after all. Why should the Mind be any different?

I have always approached each Information Source with a totally open and fully vulnerable mind. We all have this ability to open ourselves up; learn and then throw out the pieces that do not FIT into our particular puzzle as we 'puzzle' our way out of here.

I just don't want someone else closing down a 'Mr. Icke' or judging him out of existence before I get a chance to glean every last bit of potential point of view that might apply. Maybe amongst those pages which you find so offensive might be that ONE piece of information that will help someone else get the bigger picture.

You are implying that he is somehow a dis-information specialist either knowingly or un-. You see, my brain is telling me that Novaliz is the dis-information specialist; not Mr. Icke.
And YOU seem to be suggesting that everyone who does not see the symbolism you do is just stupid. The fact is, symbols mean different things to different people. But NONE of them affect us unless we believe in the symbolism itself. If we don't menatlly vibrate to the frequency of the symbol then it has no power...no hold over us.

Of course, I loved John Denver...and I understood his Rocky Mountain High the first time I ever heard it. But then I was raised in the Rocky Mountains. The smell of the green grass, the sweetness of the huckleberries; the tartness of the RED chokecherries; the sense of that expansive BLUE sky! Tall towering pines that make your teeth ache when you stare up at them. Cliffs that plunged down into broad valleys with rushing rivers and pussy willows and buttercups. Yup. Yup. Talk about symbolism! That is about as 'high' as one gets! But I suppose that God MEANT something by making the chokecherries RED and the Sky Blue. Definite 'power colors' someone else here said. Yup. They are two of the PRIMARY colors after all. Perhaps we should eliminate them along with Mr. Icke. Then what would we have left? Yellow. Okay. Yellow. We'll paint the whole world yellow and FORBID everyone to any longer SEE the colors blue and red. Sounds like a good new world order directive: Nobody gets to see Red and Blue because they might OFFEND somebody. We've already covered up the human body...why shouldn't we cover up red and blue next?

Guess what? Red means to ME what I SAY it means. And it means Montana 'chokecherries'. Blue means 'Big Sky Country: The Place God Sat When She Made the World'. And that is just the way it is going to be for me cause guess what...? I get to decide!
This is just too much fun...;)
Thanks for the opportunity!
Esclarmonde