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Posted By: useless
Date: Monday, 14-May-2001 12:55:32

In Response To: CONTROL AND OWNERSHIP: The Devils at (Esclarmonde)

: In no way in the posting above did I personally attack you.
: Indeed, it was not about YOU at all. And yet you seem
: determined to seek me out and attack my character directly
: with lies, innuendo and presumption. It is as though you
: MUST have this energy in order to identify yourself.

In no way in my above post did I personally attack you either...

In all honesty, I really like you. I have been praying that God open your eyes to His wonderful salvation.

I was not attacking, I was making observations based on your past words. Everything I said was TRUE. How is telling the truth an attack?

Didn't you say you were your "own" God? Is that not the religion of the cryptocracy? Isn't that the line the serpent gave the woman in the garden? "ye shall be as gods.."

I still don't understand how you can embrace the religion of the controllers and claim freedom.

Do you believe that salvation stems from belief in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ?

If you do not then you are rejecting the Son and according to the word of God, you are an antichrist.

1 John 2 22-24

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. "

If you believe in the Son, then why do you reject His words? He said "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one cometh to the Father, but by me."

: In fairness, I must admit that I do not have your addiction to
: the misery of others. I do, however, find it difficult to
: defend myself from this kind of putrefaction.

Does the truth make you miserable? I can understand if it does. I know that many times, I do not like the truth about myself either.

The truth about me is that I am a sinner. I am justified only by the Grace of God through the death and resurrection of His Son Jesus Christ.

I do suffer from many addictions in my life, but the misery of others is definitely not one of them.

: How sad that you pretend to represent Christianity. By what
: you say, you have made it very clear that you know not the
: first thing about REAL Christianity, but only the Pseudo
: Christianity which attempted to usurp Christ's teachings,
: change them to suit their desire for control and then beat
: poor Minds like yours into submission.

On the contrary, you are the one espousing the "pseudo" Christianity. You claim the name of Christ when it suits you and disregard it when it condemns you.

The fact of the matter is that this entire world is fallen and incapable of self recovery. Your doctrine of self-salvation leads only to death. The doctrine of self salvation is what created all the problems in the first place.

We have no source of life within ourselves if we reject the true Christ, Jesus. We are NOT able to redeem ourselves, to suggest otherwise is blasphemy.

John 15 4-7 The words of Jesus Christ.

Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

If he is the vine and we are the branches, then we must remain connected to the vine in order to survive. A branch separated from the vine will wither and die.

: It occurs to me that I feel very, very sorry for you. But
: alas, I cannot help you. The journey for each of us is very
: singular. We must each do our OWN work on our OWN Inner
: Kingdom. If I thought you were truly attempting to argue
: the merits of Christianity, I might desire to engage in
: this conversation. But you are not. It is clear to me that
: your goal is merely to twist the god given joy that is ever
: evolving from the Awakening Spirit into something ugly. You
: seem to have a great desire to make god ugly.
: Why do you suppose that is?

Show me one place where I have twisted the word of God. I have spoken the Biblical truth about the fallen nature of humanity and our need for His salvation through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

: I have sympathy for your misery. I am even more sorry that you
: want to paint the world with THAT misery and pick and
: destroy every flower you see along the way. And I know you
: will continue this assault because sadly you cannot help
: yourself. You live in the end of your sentences: You are
: the Object: You are therefore Owned. You pay homage to
: those who would OWN you.

You are a beautiful flower that has ALREADY been plucked from the vine, you have rejected Him. You will dry up and die unless you are grafted back in.

Because of your great beauty you are offended that I would suggest that you are dying and in need of a Savior.

It grieves me deeply to see such a talented person as yourself so indoctrinated with the religion of the world that you fail to recognize the truth about your loving Creator.

: You seem to presume this 'argument' can somehow be won by
: beating up on others because they MUST care that
: you say bad things about them EVEN AS YOU KNOW THEY ARE
: JUST RHETORIC MEANT TO DESTROY. All you do for me is point
: out what is left of my waning attachment to the
: OUTSIDE world and for that I must say a meagre thank you.
: But your meanness injects the world with more of the
: same...more of the misery of ownership and control. Is that
: TRULY what you your heart?

It may feel as though I am beating you up, but in reality, it is the truth that I am speaking that hurts. I am just calling your attention to the fact that you are dying, and of course it hurts when you realize you are dying. It hurts to realize that we are lost. It hurts to realize that we are wrong.

: The fact is, REAL Christians don't act like you do. Yet you
: cannot even see yourself in the mirror of Christ and are
: careful to avoid any possibility of it by ignoring the
: beautiful thoughts and ideas put forth in my postings. Only
: the Controllers have to put others down in order to make
: themselves feel good. And that is exactly who OWNS your
: soul. It is my humble conjecture that you sold out to their
: devil a long time ago.

I very much admire the beautiful thoughts and ideas in your writings. A lot of what you say is true. We are beautiful resonant beings, capable of many great things.

You have an exquisite way with words, but they are tainted with lies, as all of our talents are when we fail to believe God's words.

We are not capable of ANYTHING unless we are in the Son. All our beauty and capability will come to naught if we fail to recognize the Creator.

As long as we are cut off from the Son, we do not have life, but only death to look forward to.

You didn't create yourself, you were created. Every molecule and spiritual particle was lovingly fashioned by an omnipotent and all powerful God. He created you to give Him pleasure.

You are a creation, He is the Creator.

Yet you have rejected Him. You have denied the Son.

Repent of your sins and rebellion and return to the Son.
He will embrace you with His loving arms of Grace.
Then you will be connected to the source of all things.
Then you will have Christ within.
Jesus, the one and true Christ.

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Articles In This Thread

RogueButterfly -- Saturday, 12-May-2001 22:21:55
Esclarmonde -- Sunday, 13-May-2001 10:04:11
to be....
useless -- Sunday, 13-May-2001 16:59:27
Re: to be....
LoriLynn -- Sunday, 13-May-2001 21:38:08
Esclarmonde -- Monday, 14-May-2001 11:19:59
useless -- Monday, 14-May-2001 12:55:32

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