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Actually, it was Leo Wanta who made the Snowden comment...

Posted By: Lion
Date: Sunday, 19-Oct-2014 12:17:41
www.rumormill.news/2130

In Response To: A little personal deposition here... partial truths mask the facts... Gordon Duff Is A Shill.. (Watchman)

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...and was speaking to Duff at the time.

Leo followed up with;

"...and you know that as well as I do. Snowden was working for Frank Carlucci and Booz Allen boys."

What I really appreciate about Leo Wanta, is what a down to earth, real person he is.

I agree that Duff is full of himself at times, but he has a method of passing on information by denying it, or saying the opposite of what he wants to get out.

It took listening for a while for me to understand his approach.

I use Duff as one resource of many, take what is plausible to my understanding at the time, and leave the rest.

I don't take everything he says as gospel, nor would I discount everything he says.

Take the best and leave the rest, and hopefully with experience, comes digression to know when to say when.

As you know, my brother Watchman, there are no shortage of shills to choose from...:-))

Meanwhile, find below some more data on Ed Snowden's connection to our old pal, Frank Carlucci and the Carlyle group.

Carlyle membership and associations read like the who's who of THE PROBLEM'S PROBLEM.

Lion

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Thursday, 13 June 2013

Behind the Curtain: Booz Allen Hamilton and its Owner, The Carlyle Group

Written by Bob Adelmann

Behind the Curtain: Booz Allen Hamilton and its Owner, The Carlyle Group

According to writers Thomas Heath and Marjorie Censer at the Washington Post, The Carlyle Group and its errant child, Booz Allen Hamilton (BAH), have a public relations problem, thanks to NSA leaker and former BAH employee Edward Snowden.

By the time top management at BAH learned that one of their top level agents had gone rogue, and terminated his employment, it was too late.

For years Carlyle had, according to the Post, “nurtured a reputation as a financially sophisticated asset manager that buys and sells everything from railroads to oil refineries”; but now the light from the Snowden revelations has revealed nothing more than two companies, parent and child, “bound by the thread of turning government secrets into profits.”

And have they ever.

When The Carlyle Group bought BAH back in 2008, it was totally dependent upon government contracts in the fields of information technology (IT) and systems engineering for its bread and butter.

But there wasn't much butter:

After two years the company’s gross revenues were $5.1 billion but net profits were a minuscule $25 million, close to a rounding error on the company’s financial statement. In 2012, however, BAH grossed $5.8 billion and showed earnings of $219 million, nearly a nine-fold increase in net revenues and a nice gain in value for Carlyle.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/15696-behind-the-curtain-booz-allen-hamilton-and-its-owner-the-carlyle-group

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http://ian56.blogspot.com/2014/06/joining-dots-carlyle-group-booz-allen.html

Jun 20

Connecting the dots - The Carlyle Group, Booz Allen Hamilton, The House of Saud, The Bin Laden Family, the Bush's, Funding and Arming Islamic Terrorism, Iraq and the Clintons.

A tale of high level corruption in both parties.

Background:

Booz Allen Hamilton is owned by the Carlyle Group.

The CEO of the Carlyle Group is Frank Carlucci.

The Carlyle Group are a private equity fund that invests in lots of companies that make money out of the business of war - arms companies, private spy contractors etc.

Significant board members, associates and "consultants" of the Carlyle Group include the Bush's and a who's who of ex US government war hawks for the last 40 years.

Significant investors in the Carlyle group include the House of Saud and the Bin Laden Family.

Saudi Arabia wants a very high oil price - it sells lots of oil.

Saudi Arabia's foreign policy is directed at increasing the price of oil. Mostly this is done by destabilizing and starting conflicts and wars in, other countries that have oil (or are major distribution routes).

This is done in two main ways:-

By funding, arming and recruiting Islamic Extremist terrorists to attack other countries

By bribing the American government to conduct policy that is in the interests of Saudi Arabia and not in the interests of America.

Having a high oil price is directly against the interests of America and it's main export market - Europe. Every $1 rise in the price of a barrel of oil makes everyone in America, Europe and over 99% of the rest of the world poorer (except for the major owners & CEO's of oil companies and oil assets).

Some of the wealth of evidence for the involvement of Saudi Arabia and other Gulf States in funding, arming, recruiting and supporting Islamic terrorism:-

If the NSA is actually fighting terrorism why haven't they stopped Saudi Arabia, Qatar & Kuwait funding Islamic terrorist groups like ISIS and Al-Nusra?

http://ian56.blogspot.com/2014/06/if-nsa-is-actually-fighting-terrorism.html

Saudi Royal Family and Saudi government involvement in 9/11

http://ian56.blogspot.com/2014/06/saudi-royal-family-and-saudi-government.html

It is also in the interests of the Carlyle Group, in order to boost their profits, that there is more war, conflict and Islamic terrorism.

Some of the details of the major players in Booz Allen and the Carlyle Group:-

Booz Allen Hamilton and the Carlyle Group:

A tale of high level corruption in both parties

Lost in the Edward Snowden debate is a critical look at his former employer, the company doing the spying on Americans in the first place:

Booz Allen Hamilton.

Booz Allen Hamilton is a government contractor, with 99% of its revenue coming from the US government.

Not only does it receive money from the NSA, but also the US Army, US Navy, US Air Force, US Marine Corps, Department of Defense, Department of Homeland Security, the FBI and ... the IRS.

In addition, Booz Allen is heavily connected to the CIA.

Among the individuals involved in running the company, we have:
James Clapper - current Director of National Intelligence (DNI), head of NSA, the man who lied to Congress about the fact that NSA is actively spying on Americans, is a former executive

Mike McConnell - a current executive of the company, had Clapper's job (DNI) during George W. Bush's administration (keep it in the family, eh?) -

- he worked for Booz Allen before Bush, then worked for Bush, then back to Booz Allen after Bush

James Woolsey - former CIA Director, current executive (see Jan Helfeld's interview of Mr. Woolsey where it becomes clear that Woolsey has no interest in discussing principles, only war)

Melissa Hathaway - former executive, also worked for McConnell during the Bush administration

Ian Brzezinski - former executive, son of Zbigniew Brzezinski, co-founder of the Trilateral Commission with David Rockefeller, central figure in the NWO crowd, and mastermind of Operation Cyclone

Dov Zakheim - this character is ... unbelievable:
1993 - His company, System Planning Corporation, had a subsidiary called Tridata Corporation, which was the company that "oversaw" the investigation of the 1993 WTC bombing

2000 - Part of the neocon Project for a New American Century, he is co-author of "Rebuilding America's Defenses," in which he is credited with the infamous line, "... some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."

2001 - He is appointed Comptroller of the Pentagon, in which $2.3 trillion promptly goes "missing"

2001 - Attack on 9/11 occurs; some people are suspicious of his connections, since his company, SPC, in involved in flight systems capable of remote controlling aircraft, and because he was the guy who leased 32 Boeing 767 aircraft to McDill Air Force Base (2 of the 9/11 aircraft were 767's), and McDill is close to Elgin AFB, which was the location that was to be used if Operation Northwoods had gone live

2004 - Goes to work for Booz Allen Hamilton.

2012 - Advisor on Middle East policy for Mitt Romney campaign (gee ... ya think Romney would have gone to war in the Middle East???)

Booz Allen Hamilton is owned by the Carlyle Group.

One of the big investors in the Carlyle Group was the Bin Laden family in Saudi Arabia. Yeah ... THAT Bin Laden family.

And instrumental in being the "go between" for Carlyle/Bin Laden was a guy by the name of George H. W. Bush.

Maybe you've heard of him?

The House of Saud are also big investors in the Carlyle Group.

The CEO of the Carlyle Group (remember, they OWN Booz Allen Hamilton) is Frank Carlucci.

Mr. Carlucci has quite a resume:

Nixon Administration - Director of the Office for Economic Opportunity (the "War on Poverty" -- and a great place to decide who gets government contracts)

Carter Administration - Deputy Director of the CIA

Reagan Administration - National Security Advisor and Secretary of Defense (Donald Rumsfeld is Carlucci's protoge)

He is or has been with the Project for a New American Century and a member of the Board of Trustees for the RAND Corporation, a CIA front that develops policies that the Military Industrial Complex then carries out.

You want a NWO guy?

Carlucci is your man.

And CEO of Carlyle Group, owner of Booz Allen Hamilton, spying on YOU.

At RAND, his specialty was Middle East policy. What do you know?

That was also the specialty of Graham Fuller, CIA guy who was the father-in-law of Ruslan Tsarni, uncle of Tamarlan Tsarnev, suspected Boston bomber.

Speaking of the Boston bombing and Tamarlan Tsarnaev, he had a couple of trips to Russia that made the news.

But what did not make the news (in America, but it did in Russia) is that he went there for "training" that was funded by the Jamestown Foundation.

And what do you know?

The Jamestown Foundation (CIA front) has among its past board members none other than Dick Cheney and Marcia Carlucci, wife of Frank Carlucci.

Given all their connections and government contracts, here's an interesting question:

Booz Allen Hamilton has not only been involved in spying via the NSA, but they have also received no-bid contracts from the IRS.

What do they know about the American people via the IRS?

Now, one of the things you will start to see if you look around at some of the big corporations these days is that many of them are involved in what they call "corporate citizenship" or something similar.

What this means at the surface level is they are being "good citizens" by donating to charity.

But when you go beyond the surface, you will see something else going on.

Booz Allen Hamilton donates money to the Clinton Global Initiative.

The CGI is a part of the Clinton Foundation (yeah, THAT Clinton).

The Clinton Foundation has been implicated in bribery on an international level.

Clinton gave himself a special little privilege while president wherein he exempted the William Jefferson Clinton Foundation from the normal rules of disclosure regarding publicly listing who its contributors were.

It's a secret foundation.

And it has over $200 million in assets now.

And is alleged to be used as a way to funnel black money from corrupt governments around the world for behind-the-scenes deals like special oil contracts, arms dealing, US government foreign aid deals, whatever.

So folks, what you are not being told in the media about Edward Snowden's former company is that it is not only spying on you, but it is probably checking out your tax returns, too, and also receiving some of your tax money in government contracts, which it then funnels to CIA-connected/Military Industrial Complex-connected/NWO-connected individuals and organizations.

Something like this:

Your tax money (taken from you by force) -> IRS -> Booz Allen Hamilton -> Clinton Foundation -> foreign bribes -> more contracts for the Military Industrial Complex -> more spending by foreign governments -> more foreign aid from the US government -> more US government spending -> more taxes needed -> more taxes from YOU.

Oh ... and they are spying on you, too.

But Edward Snowden ... yeah HE is the bad guy here.

Uh huh ... move along ... nothing to see here....

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Update 06/26/13

"DOJ" protects Booz Allen by using 'state secrets' privilege in Booz Allen case

http://www.federaltimes.com/article/20130612/ACQUISITION03/306120012

References
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booz_Allen_Hamilton
http://www.boozallen.com/
http://www.pehub.com/2010/06/21/booz-allen-ipo-lots-of-revenue-and-lots-of-debt/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3029352/posts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Brzezinski
http://www.muckety.com/Booz-Allen-Hamilton/5000259.muckety
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=2875
http://www.whale.to/b/zakheim_h.html
http://alexansary.tv/2012/11/romneys-top-adviser-dov-zakheim-connected-to-911/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlyle_Group
http://www.wanttoknow.info/010927wallstreetjournal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Carlucci
http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/Jamestown_Foundation
http://www.law360.com/articles/446161/irs-wrongly-refused-to-stay-booz-allen-contract-tax-co
http://www.boozallen.com/insights/ideas/clinton-global-initiative
http://www.clintonglobalinitiative.org/aboutus/
http://www.clintonfoundation.org/
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011559.php
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/05/its-not-about-reelection-bill-clintons-80-million-payday.html
Posted 20th June by Ian Shilling

http://ian56.blogspot.com/2014/06/joining-dots-carlyle-group-booz-allen.html

http://ian56.blogspot.com/2014/06/joining-dots-carlyle-group-booz-allen.html

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: The above article is another verification to me that Duff is
: an agent provocateur as is the majority of Internet wannabe
: reporters and MSM lackeys.

: His statement that Snowden has never been an NSA employee is
: not at all germane to the truthfulness of the facts Snowden
: revealed, which have been proven by even the most casual
: observer by the MSM/NSA/.GOV reaction we have observed.

: Let me elucidate....

: Long ago and far away, I was an electronics engineer. Over my
: career which spanned more than three decades, I was
: employed by three separate large corporations which were
: devoted to 'research and development', primarily under
: contracts from sundry agencies of the federal government.

: In the decade from the sixties to the seventies these agencies
: were mostly devoted to the US space systems, such as NASA,
: USAF and the like. My expertise was in Satellite
: Communication systems.

: By 1971, other .gov agencies, some of which must still remain
: nameless due to lifetime security clearances, began to
: actively solicit corporate design expertise. The
: corporations relished the money held out by these agencies,
: which nearly always awarded sole source (no bid) contracts.

: At the time, NASA employed most of the "hands on"
: engineers and scientists. NASA had all the 'get it done'
: engineers. Agencies such as NSA, CIA and their ilk could
: not so much as flip a switch without a committee meeting.
: The civilian engineers and scientists which were worth a
: $hit were devoted to their professions and wanted to
: create, and would in no way sell out for a desk job and
: mere money.

: So, to fix this, Most of NASA's development programs were
: scrapped.

: Thus, in the years that followed, many civilian corporations
: morphed into compartment ed 'agencies of the agencies'
: complete with locked labs and multi-level security
: clearances which deny even their own existence, and of
: course their .gov patrons.

: Viz, Millions of engineers which never drew a paycheck from
: the USG were/are in true fact their employees by proxy.
: Moreover they were bound by their oath to the beast under
: threat of severe consequences never to reveal the cause and
: motives of their ultimate patrons.

: They were secret whores.

: Some few of them understood that their skills were being used
: to fashion the chains which now threaten to enslave the
: world, and decided to withdraw their consent.

: Duff's 'truth' is deceptive. Snowden was employed by one of
: these 'civilian' companies and in a position to tie
: together and warn about some of the loose ends which
: threaten to enslave us.

: Snowden decided to stop being a whore.

: Duff remains one.

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Video: Veterans Today Radio (10-15-14) Leo Wanta - "Ed Snowden was never an employee of the NSA"
Lion -- Saturday, 18-Oct-2014 21:33:39
A little personal deposition here... partial truths mask the facts... Gordon Duff Is A Shill..
Watchman -- Sunday, 19-Oct-2014 10:55:55
It was known from day 1 that Snowden was a Booz Allen employee contracted to NSA which is what Duff actually said
MrFusion -- Sunday, 19-Oct-2014 11:40:06
Actually, it was Leo Wanta who made the Snowden comment...
Lion -- Sunday, 19-Oct-2014 12:17:41

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