Generally speaking, life sustenance within the planet is comparable to that above. Their staple food products in the warmer climates is rice, which was also brought above by the people which we know as the Chinese. Main crops of wheat and barley are grown in the northern locales.

Other vegetables are string beans, soy beans, okra, eggplant, cabbages, turnips, carrots, etc. The Atturraans are mainly vegetarians, but consume much fish with a variety of artificial flavors such as chicken, beef, pork, etc. Milk is also their staple nutritional drink.

They do not know of the turkey, but, on the other hand, have a large, native bird they call the duck-quail, highly rated by some for its edibility.

Two building blocks made below would be of interest to surface people. One is a ‘concrete block’ virtually unbreakable. A powdered plastic, sand and water are heat-treated like terra cotta and the product used extensively in both their residential and commercial construction.

Another substance known as ‘glass-tile’ consists of finely ground silicone or glass mixed with clay, placed in various molds and heated to a high temperature. The finished glazed tile is used for floors, outside facades on buildings (where we use marble facing) road building blocks, etc.

Their Atturraan highways are constructed with lateral grooves running across them. Automobile tire treads are grooved to produce a meshing, cog wheel, effect, thus holding the car in position assuring the driver control against brake-skidding, or planing on a wet pavement.

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A second final hour interview was held with Mr. Haammaan on Sunday, November 20, 1977.

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Accompanied by a reliable witness from the State Department, we checked into a Holiday Inn at Mt. Vernon, New York and talked in the conference room. The six foot, three-inch Atlantean had the build of a football player but his hands were slender, more like those of a pianist.

Quizzical blue eyes responded to changes in mood. His hair was fair and cut medium short. He looked like a modern Scandinavian. Time being of the essence and certain ‘prepared questions’ needing to be answered, the dialogue was begun.

Haammaan's manner was less reserved than at the first meeting, and after coffee and tea had been ordered each sat in an easy chair and the talks began.

Question: How old are you?

Answer: "I am officially 57 years old according to records on file here, but truthfully I am some hundreds of years of age. Average age on my continent of Agharta is a minimum of 800 years."

(Haammaan's claim has not been reconciled with that of the Inner World ‘Bodlanders’. Dr. Jerrmus of Bodland's capital city Bod, is 58 years old and he states his father died at 135 years, but that 200 years is common longevity in Bodland.

Some Bodlanders may reach 300 years but those passing 200 are the elite senior citizens.) Haammaan's conversation is resumed.

Question: Why should you Atturians live so much longer lives than we on the surface?

Answer: "Harmful ‘ultra violet’ and other sun rays are the ‘chief cause’ of death to those on the surface.

You recall we have an artificial sun (600 miles in diameter) which lights up our interior world.

That sun takes its energy via crystal receivers from the outside sun and stores it, but the harmful rays are not retransmitted.

The second cause of premature death to you people above is your diet, in my opinion.

The majority of us Atturians are not flesh eaters as are most of you above, although we eat fowl and fish in preference to red meats. But let me state categorically that: “You and I are biologically identical."

Question: You mean our sun rays shorten life?

Answer: They certainly do. Deterioration, so caused, starts at approximately 20 years in your lives, even where no disease is noticed.

The harmful sun's rays even affect your fruit and vegetables, the effects of which are passed on to you when you eat them, as well as the more harmful meat products you consume.

Question: Is longevity below not the result of spiritual or psychological advances, which your society has mastered during the 11,000 years your people apparently have been free from war, economic worries and other tensions?

Answer: That's a wrong assumption. Our original long life spans below have been maintained and increased over the centuries partly because we perfected our eating and drinking habits, but mainly because of the filtering of harmful solar rays by our man made sun.

Hence, today we have overcome premature old age and the major diseases which inflict you people on the surface.

Question: Tell us more, especially about the fruit and vegetable juices.

Answer: Combinations of certain natural vegetable and fruit juices, or their extracts are used below for many medical cures. We call the system of producing these formulas, "Natural Hygiene.”

We didn't develop these cures all at once, but their precise compounds are the results of thousands of years of research. We below are careful of our diet although we provide succulent and gourmet menues as do you above.

Question: You say even with improved diet you are occasionally subject to the same diseases as above? Enumerate some diseases which are prevalent here for which you have cures below.

Answer: Cancer is one of your worst destroyers of life. We compound a ‘precise mixture of vegetable juices’ which when taken at the rate of a half pint per hour over a 30 day period destroys all cancer cells, replacing them with new healthy, normal cells.

(We’ve ‘all’ heard about those miracle-juices, ‘above’; yet my uncle was on these ‘juices’ but died of cancer, some years later, nonetheless. – Bob)

(Haammaan then explained he was not a medical man and that his remarks were those of a layman, but the evidence which he volunteered could be substantiated in tests held on earth in any medical or research facility.)

Doctors below were first successful in curing particular cancers by means of a drug called "UGROME" but the drug was later eliminated from the formulas and straight vegetable and fruit extracts used exclusively with such ingredients as carrots and tomatoes among others.

Question: You say our upper sun rays kill certain fruit or vegetable cells which contain added li£e support elements. How can we on the upper earth raise these products and keep their natural cells intact at the time of their ripening?

Answer: Grow them in greenhouses with glass that keeps out harmful rays. Your people already know what glass or plastic formula is required to shut out any of the sun's harmful rays in the spectrum.

Question: Please name other cures you have below which those above badly need.

Answer: Abcesses, skin cancers and boils. A jelly used by us clears them up in 24 hours. The jelly can also be taken internally in a capsule form. You are already aware of our artificial skin made from a sterile compound of vegetable juices and adhesives.

The skin comes in rolls like your band-aids and is placed over large first and third degree burn areas. Body moisture is thus retained over a burn area.

The body begins immediately to form new skin beneath. When healing is complete, the artificial skin is peeled off. No scars are seen.

Our dentists below also implant new teeth buds in the cavities of teeth which must be removed due to decay or infection. In the case of cavity filling, dentists below give their patients internal medicine made of natural ingredients which results in a tooth cavity being healed.

Question: Do you have the problem of drug addiction and alcoholism?

Answer: Neither are manufactured or sold in Atturas or Bodland or Vikingland (different races living below). Drug addiction is considered a serious offense and if it became prevalent as above in your society, its use would not be tolerated. However, we have cures for the major types of addiction found here above.

Take your marijuana! We have a weed below which tastes the same as marijuana when smoked. An addict who smokes one such cigarette finds his craving for marijuana satisfied and he or she breaks the drug habit without any side effects. We have similar cures for all your other drug problems.

The acceptance of opiates is growing quickly in your society. Alcoholic beverages and smoking products are also not sold in Atturas although the old Vikings and Bodlanders indulge in barley beer and like tobacco, I'm told. Mr. Haammaan continued, "Gentlemen, I am a man of arts and letters.

I am not a scientist of medicine, nor a candidate for a doctor's degree.

Very soon I shall communicate with certain people below and in time, through the good offices of you authors who have discovered my whereabouts in your land, and treated me with respect, I shall ask to have brought up some suggestions and perhaps explicit formulas which your druggists or researchers above can compound for controlled trial use.

As things stand at present in your country, I would expect reference to these discussions in your book to be rejected or laughed at by the major medical associations.

But on leaving the subject of medicine for a while, I would add we have authenticated cures for blood cholesterol, obesity, senility, osteoarthritis, stomach ulcers and many more of your diseases. Plus marvelous diagnostic equipment.

Contrary to what your fatalists say, three score years etcetera should not be the span of a man's existence. If the major diseases could be overcome on the Earth's surface, then mankind's life span would be extended for certain, notwithstanding the harmful surface sun rays.

May I also disagree about your earlier question which implied that our longevity stemmed from a collective, well balanced, spiritual and psychological attitude. Typical longevity below in Atturas is over 800 years and some have reached 1,200 years.

But, to prove that we, below, don't inherit a life span ten or twelve times longer than yours simply because we possess superior spiritual or psychological qualifications, let me tell you about our dogs and cats.

The life span of our domestic animals is perhaps thirty years. The one common denominator which both we people and our animal creatures have in common is an environment free from harmful solar rays.

We can't unveil the mysteries of old age in a few hundred words, but regardless of your sun's harmful rays and your diet, there are some reversible techniques used by our medical men in Atturraas which could be copied above to drastically cut the annual death rate.

Your medical scientists believe that each cell has an aging clock or self-destruct mechanism built in at about 70 years, but we below have proved this absolute life span is incorrect (as have the Bods).

Well over 100 vigorous disease-free years are possible for your people here in the near future, if preventive help to cure the diseases of aging is studied.

Question: Upper earth nations publically spend many, many billions annually on war preparations – not to mention the huge interest cost to governments for monies borrowed to finance war debts. The question is, do you have a military apparatus below?

Answer: A qualified no! Nor do we have cadet colleges or war training schools.

We, nor the Bods or Vikings, have standing armies (nor do the New Germans or Six Kingdoms of Old German Saxons).

Our ‘sole para-military effort’ is policing our own people and that ‘force’, whether land or sea, is ‘light’.

We do have a ‘standing air force’ which has considerable power but this is based on an ancient system of ‘sky reconnaisance’ and transportation, which you people amaze us by referring to as, ‘unidentified flying objects’.

All the monies you expend in armaments if turned to peaceful uses could create full employment, remove your welfare roles, totally provide doctor and hospital benefits and create a utopia like that of which you haven't imagined. And what are your poverty stricken, emerging nations buying first?

War machines!

But, I must add, no one major country like America could achieve this utopian structure while a single antagonist nation relies on the force of armaments to dominate the world. All countries would have to lay down their arms simultaneously.

Question: Does your nation regard America as an aggressor nation?

Answer: I can't speak for our people, but I would say that the English speaking people are not warlike. But we do regard the Russian leaders as a military complex to be carefully watched.

Question: Who attacked who in the 1946 war of the inner world? Was it the New Germans or the old Vikings?

Answer: The Vikings observed the New Germans building up their new space craft squadrons. Worried about the growing German occupation of inner earth lands and suspecting the real intentions of the New Germans from their surface record of war, the Vikings attacked.

We, the new Atlanteans, advised the Vikings to stop as soon as we had ascertained their intentions. On our signal the Interplanetary Police Force came in and enforced a Viking withdrawal. The Vikings and New Germans now exchange ambassadors.

Question: Is your nation of Atturraas more advanced than the U. S .A.?

Answer: Yes and no. The U.S.A. is extremely advanced in science and technology, but the inner earth nations are hundreds of years ahead of the upper world in social justice, the humanities and medicine.

Although in space technology North America has built a technical and scientific civilization in just a few years, as have certain countries such as Germany and Britain, it has taken us thousands of years to achieve our pre-eminence.

But remember, we have had 11,500 years without war, and the Bodlanders 30 millenniums.

Question: So in addition to having a society free from want and hunger, clothing and shelter, you must have time for leisure activity.

Answer: Yes, but we have had Olympic Games (which we call Quad) since before we retreated to the inner earth from above. The New Germans below are now sending their athletes to compete and the Vikings, Six German Kingdoms and Bodlanders have long done so.

The annual games are a big event in our lives. We also have other leisure activities like you have above such as hiking, racing and sailing on our oceans. You do practically every thing we do in the world of leisure.

We also have our own versions of your baseball, football, tennis, but our athletes are not paid the enormous salaries yours are paid in stadium sports participation. In our houses we have TV or home movies. I would say our movie houses show a better three dimensional picture than yours above.

Question: Is sex exploited below as in certain countries above?

Answer: Sex is not a goddess of worship below. There are no pornographic movies, periodicals, or media advertisements of same. There are no houses of prostitution. This is an explanation that requires a much longer treatment than we have time for today.

You will recall married men, women live apart but have special houses for sex visitation. (The Bodlanders are more family oriented, living, playing and entertaining as a unit till the children leave home. The close Bod-family ties remain unbroken according to Dr. Jerrmus.)

Also, there are no polygamous marriages and no divorces in Atturas or Bodland. The childbearing age in Atturas is from 25 to 60 years of age. Marriages take place after age 25. The children live with the mothers until ten and afterwards are trained by the state.

The family connection is never broken and we enjoy long lives of fellowship. Wives are permitted to have only two children and afterwards have a minor operation to prevent a recurrence of childbirth. Abortion is not permitted except for proven medical reasons.

(In Bodland intensive high school sex education is taught, the harm of illicit sex acts is discussed and studied by both sexes. The Bodland student must attend a state run, tuition free high school.

All reading is censored till adulthood, with not even Shakespeare being on the high school curricula. University is free.)

I would simply say that total guidance by the state is obligatory until the child/youth becomes of voting age.

You above permit the undesirable elements to become an accepted part of your society and then spend the state's monies in locating, watching or incarcerating them, after the criminal tendencies have surfaced. We try to find and correct the troubles beforehand.

Question: Are there any primitive societies down below? . . . . .