This is my section by section reply to Winter.
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Hello everyone,

Virus Alert: The 'Novaliz' Disease is clearly contagious:
We must be getting really good on this forum to suddenly deserve all this attention. And you and Novaliz came on at about the same time. Coincidence?

Hold on Winter, I have NO connection with Novaliz whatever! Same with Rixon and Data Junkie. I do not know them… period! Yes it is a coincidence that Novaliz and I arrived here together. This is a blind alley for you I'm afraid. Don’t think that everyone who is from the UK is part of a dark conspiracy because in my case it is not true.

Let's see: What are the symptoms of this dis-ease?
1) Blackened feet from stamping out anything that looks like it is getting dangerously close to the truth.

I posted my perspective on Esclarmonde's post and that all! Others do the same Winter!

2) A need to always have the last word, even when you have nothing to add, as in your response to Hobie.

I feel that replying as I did was politeness, not having the need to have the last word! You are reading too much into this.

3) The use of the word 'evil' to incite emotional response. Very clever, that.
You have, by your protestations, just told me that Valerian's entire treatise is the truth!

Evil is the Gnostic expression for what is not of the Light. To translate that into a valediction of Valerian is bizarre in the extreme indeed, it is stupid!

You know, it is beginning to dawn on me that you and Novaliz, along with your henchmen, Rixon and Data Junkie, have in fact done us a great service: You have made us fully and completely aware of the Reptiles and the Greys.

Henchmen! Please! You seem convinced that we are all working in concert here on this forum and that is totally untrue. The Greys are mentioned all over Valerians post, so that is why I mentioned them. Awareness of these entities IS important and forms my motive for mentioning them in my post. If this is your first introduction to Greys and Reptile aliens, you must be spiritually dead and live in a cupboard.

We can no longer ignore this piece of the puzzle, no matter how incredible it may seem! I, for one, will be keeping an open mind as I gather the facts of it. ...and I WILL now gather the facts of it. Something I would not have considered before.

Is this the Royal 'we' Winter, or just you? Gather away at your leisure please do. It sounds like an implied threat to me to sort me out? Boy, will this be a fruitless exercise for you, but dig away.

Have to admit, I probably wouldn't have paid much attention to this post, except that you responded as you did. So I went back and read it carefully. Seems to me it corroborates a lot of what Icke and others have said.

Tell me what is confirms Winter? Have you collected me in the anti Icke brigade? I don’t agree with ALL he says, but much of it I do. Happy now? If so, let me tell you that I have been to three of his talks, have all his books and two of his videos. Furthermore, I am proud to have Jocelyn Savage -- Icke's webmaster -- as my very good friend. Ask her if some guy has alerted her to all the 'Icke post' placed on this forum, name Tom. jocelyn@the-i.net Ask away, go for it!

I too have read Casteneda. Esclarmonde is right: His comments about the Flyers fit perfectly into this realm. The language is different, but the sense is the same. I am begining to believe that this is fundamentally a piece of this great puzzle. Something that would have seemed preposterous now has an avenue into my conscious mind. Gee...and I have you to thank for it!

Pleased to have helped Winter. That is my true intent when I joined this forum.

Now that I know how to read you and Novaliz, go for it! You say it isn't so...I'll probably figure out that it is something I should consider as part of reality, the one that has been so carefully hidden from all of us.

How you have made all these connections from my post beggars belief! I prefer to make this my last comments on this topic, and dont deduce from this that I have something to hide! Your attempt at following in the footsteps of Sherlock Holmes has been a personal disaster for you Winter. P.