Ben -- The more I read your work, the more I am convinced that you are either an ADL plant or you are a teenager with too much time on your hands.

If you are a teenager having fun -- you are forcing all of us to do our homework and find out what we really think, so for that I thank you.

But if you are a card carrying member of the ADL, you need to stop and realize that your approach to this webpage is the wrong one. You are not getting people to shun and ban those that you label anti-semetics. You are doing the reverse, you are making those of us who have previously sat on the side lines become active in seeking the truth.

Think about what Mr. Millard said here:

"Perhaps, if the people were able to read the Talmud they would have come to different conclusions as to its content and much of the violence directed at Jews, would have been prevented. Perhaps there might not even have been a Holocaust."

Banning books, free speech, and free forums doesn't work. Passing hate crimes laws doesn't work. The only thing that will keep another holocaust from happening again is for complete understanding to take place. You can't have complete understanding when you ban free speech by labeling it hate speech or make it into a hate crime.

While it is all right for Jews to blame the Catholics for the Holocaust, it isn't all right for non Jews to blame Jews for anything.

Don't you find this just a teeny bit hypocritical?

(BTW -- Great Post HANNIBAL!!)

Bill and Donna Fuller

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: http://www.newnation.org/Archives/Millard-My-Speech-is-Good-Yours-is-Evil.html

: Please click on the above link, to appreciate the full humor!
:                                 MY SPEECH IS GOOD,
:                                     YOURS IS EVIL

:                                   by H. Millard (c) 2000 

:         Not long ago, according to news reports, a Jewish
: group announced
:         that it was teaming up with various internet providers
: to censor and
:         stop the publication of what the group doesn't want
: people to see or
:         read. We've seen the same thing from Christian groups
: also, but the
:         major difference is that the Christian groups mostly
: want to censor free
:         speech rights relating to sexual matters, while the
: Jewish group is after
:         political and philosophical speech.

:         The Jewish group often labels these things that they
: don't want people
:         to see or read: "bigotry, hate, racist,
: anti-Semitic." Now, if the call to
:         censor free speech was aimed exclusively at on-line
: threats, this would
:         be one thing, but chillingly, the call is to censor
: virtually any free speech
:         that the Jewish group doesn't like, and this is
: accomplished through the
:         simple device of labeling any speech it doesn't like
: with one of the
:         aforementioned boogey man words. 

:         Those who set themselves up as Lords of Speech and try
: to restrict free
:         speech, need to be reminded that petty tyrants
: throughout history have
:         always used some fine sounding phrases and words to
: deny civil rights to
:         others, and to censor speech that the petty tyrants
: didn't like. 

:         Consider the history of the Talmud, a book revered by
: Jews, as just one
:         example of what happens when the small-minded among us
: have their
:         way. Over the centuries, the Talmud was censored,
: re-written, burned,
:         and banned, because various petty tyrants believed it
: was
:         "anti-Christian," or "evil" or
: sanctioned "baby sacrifices," or any of a host
:         of other "hateful,bigoted,racist" things. 

:         Because the Talmud was so labeled, mobs in various
: nations were
:         worked up into a frenzy at different times, and the
: result was often
:         violent acts against Jews based, not on a fair reading
: of the
:         Talmud---which, remember, was banned and couldn't be
: read---but
:         upon the characterizations of what it said by those
: who put the hateful
:         characterizations on it. 

:         Perhaps, if the people were able to read the Talmud
: they would have
:         come to different conclusions as to its content and
: much of the violence
:         directed at Jews, would have been prevented. Perhaps
: there might not
:         even have been a Holocaust. 

:         The place for ideas,whether we like them or not, is
: right out there in
:         front of us. The founders of this nation realized
: that, and gave us, not
:         the l0th or l2th or 14th Amendment to protect free
: speech. Instead, they
:         put our protections for free speech right in the very
: first amendment.

:         It is the First Amendment which is the wellspring of
: our democracy. It is
:         from the First Amendment that all freedoms flow.
: Without the right to
:         free speech and expression, no other freedoms are
: genuine. 

:         One of the methods used by petty tyrants in their
: quest to keep speech
:         that they don't like stiffled, is to take a worst case
: example, say,
:         something like "Kill all_____(fill in the
: blank)," label it "hate speech" and
:         then lump all other speech they don't like under this
: worst case
:         example. Another method used by the petty tyrants is
: to take a
:         particularly gruesome crime, claim that the crime was
: due to race or
:         other characteristic such as sexual orientation, and
: then claim that those
:         who committed the crime were motivated by hate speech
: they read or
:         heard. 

:         All freedom-loving citizens should resist all calls at
: censorship, and
:         particularly those that call for censoring political
: and philosophical
:         speech, which is what seems to be happening with this
: call to censor the
:         internet. 

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: Edited by Hannibal: It is amazing how sometimes you can
: stumble on the exact article your are looking for!