"Humans like all life on this planet, are programmed for self preservation and preservation of its specie."

Tell it to the Cathars. Breeding was frowned upon, and to the minions of Arnaud Amaury many did say, "I'D RATHER BURN AT THE STAKE THAN CONVERT TO YOUR DISGUSTING EXCUSE OF A RELIGION!!!!!!!!!!!"

And so it was. Gods, the Albigensian Crusade was NASTY!

: You are riding the same horse (to death) I quote: "Is it
: not true that the human-will seeks to please itself, that
: it seeks happiness, joy and pleasure. Is this not a
: program?

: A will without a program, a will that is not motivated by
: anything (because nothing stimulates it to action) would do
: nothing, would accomplish nothing.

: Does the human-will not seek to feel pleasure, and avoid
: feeling pain? Yes! It is self-evident that humans seek joy,
: happiness and pleasure (it seeks to please itself).

: Is the human-will free to seek pleasure? No! The human will is
: programmed to seek pleasure".

: Humans like all life on this planet, are programmed for self
: preservation and preservation of its specie. Or we would
: not exist.
: Also, many people have no idea what pure joy is, they settle
: for pleasure instead. All of the above has little or
: nothing to do with free will. My will is mostly influenced
: by my logic and not my feelings. Take that to the bank
: Thomas.
: Charly