Well that would explain the pre- mid- post confusion seeing how God is NOT the author of confusion!

I Have accumulated a full bible reference library of material over the years.. even so all things must be checked against the WORD Himself!

My confusion came from the phrase of being "Caught up"

1 Thessalonians 4:17
After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. ...

The other one the Spirit hasn't answered me on yet is the virgins and the oil...if oil is the Holy Spirit as many claim why reference buying it?? If you think you may have an answer I'm listening.

:)

Thanks, I always appreciate your links.

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: O' Course I never attended any of man's theological

: universities (thank you, JESUS) So just put my take where
: you wish.

: But re: the rupture, I never actually heard of such a thing
: explained until some folks on the various boards started
: trying to sell it to people. This was over 20 years ago. It
: fit nothing I had previously known. When it was explained
: to me, I knew it was BS. So I set about trying to research
: it.

: Of course the word rapture is not found in the KJV at all, So
: some quoted their Scofield Reference Bible notes to me.
: Well, I did indeed know about ’saint’ Scofield. And it
: turns out the ’rapture’ was totally unknown doctrine until
: about 1830. It began from a sour pickle dream of one
: Margaret Mcdonald that was picked up by one James Darby,
: and trumpeted by the ’Plymouth Brethren‘ society, which
: then enlisted a charlatan named Cyrus Ingersol Scofield to
: popularize it with a ‘reference Bible‘ He was well funded
: from the ‘secret six‘. Scofield began his work while he was
: in prison for embezzlement, and finished sometime later.
: That’s it in a nutshell.

: There are tons of articles written on all this BS, much more
: than it deserves, actually.

: To me, the ’rapture stuff’ is just smoke from the bottomless
: pit, and not very dense smoke at that.

: For those interested here are some links;

: The origin of the rapture theory
: http://www.askelm.com/essentials/ess025.htm

: “Saint Scofield”
: http://home.earthlink.net/~bobseller1/id86.html

: The rapture of the wicked
: http://home.earthlink.net/~bobseller1/id9.html