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Re: Pro-slavery Lawyers, and "Esquires"

Posted By: hobie
Date: Saturday, 18-Nov-2000 04:06:16
www.rumormill.news/5489

In Response To: Pro-slavery Lawyers, and "Esquires" (Patriotlad)

: Starting with original intent, the history and the context of
: this amendment -- the original Thirteenth or Titles of
: Nobility Amendment (TONA), does not prohibit the
: appellation of "Esquire" or its use by persons
: who have studied or read the law -- any more than does the
: Juris Doctor or the Medical Doctor.

Thanks, "Lad". Here's what David Dodge was saying, found at http://www.the-oil-patch.com/13thAmend.html :

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TITLES OF NOBILITY

In seeking to rule the world and destroy the United States, bankers committed many crimes. Foremost among these crimes were fraud, conversion, and plain old theft. To escape prosecution for their crimes, the bankers did the same thing any career criminal does. They hired and formed alliances with the best lawyers and judges money could buy. These alliances, originally forged in Europe (particularly in Great Britain), spread to the colonies, and later into the newly formed United States of America.

Despite their criminal foundation, these alliances generated wealth, and ultimately, respectability. Like any modern member of organized crime, English bankers and lawyers wanted to be admired as "legitimate businessmen". As their criminal fortunes grew so did their usefulness, so the British monarchy legitimized these thieves by granting them "titles of nobility".

Historically, the British peerage system referred to knights as "Squires" and to those who bore the knight's shields as "Esquires". As lances, shields, and physical violence gave way to the more civilized means of theft, the pen grew mightier (and more profitable) than the sword, and the clever wielders of those pens (bankers and lawyers) came to hold titles of nobility. The most common title was "Esquire" (used, even today, by some lawyers).

INTERNATIONAL BAR ASSOCIATION

In Colonial America, attorneys trained attorneys but most held no "title of nobility" or "honor". There was no requirement that one be a lawyer to hold the position of district attorney, attorney general, or judge; a citizen's "counsel of choice" was not restricted to a lawyer; there were no state or national bar associations. The only organization that certified lawyers was the International Bar Association (IBA), chartered by the King of England, headquartered in London, and closely associated with the international banking system. Lawyers admitted to the IBA received the rank "Esquire" -- a "title of nobility". "Esquire" was the principle title of nobility which the 13th Amendment sought to prohibit from the United States. Why? Because the loyalty of "Esquire" lawyers was suspect. Bankers and lawyers with an "Esquire" behind their names were agents of the monarchy, members of an organization whose principle purposes were political, not economic, and regarded with the same wariness that some people today reserve for members of the KGB or the CIA.

Article 1, Sect. 9 of the Constitution sought to prohibit the International Bar Association (or any other agency that granted titles of nobility) from operating in America. But the Constitution neglected to specify a penalty, so the prohibition was ignored, and agents of the monarchy continued to infiltrate and influence the government (as in the Jay Treaty and the US Bank charter incidents). Therefore, a "title of nobility" amendment that specified a penalty (loss of citizenship) was proposed in 1789, and again in 1810. The meaning of the amendment is seen in its intent to prohibit persons having titles of nobility and loyalties to foreign governments and bankers from voting, holding public office, or using their skills to subvert the government.

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David Dodge on the 13th Amendment



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DEPORTATION IN IS ORDER!
Esclarmonde -- Thursday, 16-Nov-2000 18:05:47
The Penalties Are Sharp But Restricted
Patriotlad -- Thursday, 16-Nov-2000 19:46:10
How Might it be Approached?
Esclarmonde -- Thursday, 16-Nov-2000 21:57:02
Approaching By Coup De Main
Patriotlad -- Friday, 17-Nov-2000 00:17:54
Re: Approaching By Coup De Main
Esclarmonde -- Friday, 17-Nov-2000 01:27:15
"Esquires" and the Thirteenth
hobie -- Friday, 17-Nov-2000 12:21:55
Pro-slavery Lawyers, and "Esquires"
Patriotlad -- Friday, 17-Nov-2000 13:52:50
Re: Pro-slavery Lawyers, and "Esquires"
hobie -- Saturday, 18-Nov-2000 04:06:16
Speaker Of The South Carolina House
Patriotlad -- Friday, 17-Nov-2000 10:27:33
Re: Speaker Of The South Carolina House
Esclarmonde -- Friday, 17-Nov-2000 12:07:17
Publication = Ratification?
BxDanny -- Sunday, 19-Nov-2000 14:32:59
Approval = Ratification?
Patriotlad -- Sunday, 19-Nov-2000 15:39:20
Re: Publication = Ratification?
BxDanny -- Monday, 20-Nov-2000 11:05:45

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