by Jon Rappoport
August 25, 2021
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As you can imagine, it wasnít easy setting up this interview. Across the world, there are so many intermediaries, cutouts, and organizations that insist you have to go through them to get to The Man.
For example, I tried the Pope. One of his minions came back with a cryptic message suggesting I should offer a gift to the Church before formal negotiations even commence. And Iím not talking about a nice wrist watch or a crystal vase. More on the order of a truck full of cash and a personal pledge of my immortal soul for all of eternity.
Anyway, eventually I managed to work things out on my own. A direct appeal is best, I found.
The meeting place was a motel room on the outskirts of Columbus, Ohio, on a warm Thursday afternoon. I made coffee, and we sat across from each other at a small folding table near the chugging air conditioner. He smiled and said, ďLucky you have a website. Nobody would believe youíre talking to me. Nobody would publish this conversation.Ē
And so it began.
God, did you make humans to be free? To have freedom?
Think it through. You donít MAKE freedom. Freedom exists. You can only try to take it away. And I didnít.
So if someone says he doesnít want the COVID vaccineó
Heís free to refuse. But he has to pay the price. When the government or a corporation clamps down and mandates the shot, itís a tough situation.
Where do you stand on the vaccine?
I can speak with authority on the human immune system. I created it. Vaccination is supposed to be a rehearsal for the real thing, right? The antibodies and the T-cells swing into action and neutralize the protein or the piece of the virus thatís injected.
Well, if the rehearsal goes well, then why did you need it in the first place? Are you catching my drift? If the rehearsal is a success, why wouldnít the real thing be a success without the rehearsal?
I hadnít thought of it that way.
Why not? Did you create humans with low IQ?
You canít put that on me. People make themselves and each other smarter or dumber.
Well, yes. If every personís IQ was 102 forever, it would be a strange world.
I take it youíre against the lockdowns.
Imprisoning innocent people in their homes? Iím very much against it.
The rationale is, ďwe have to stop the spread of the virus.Ē
Iím very familiar with rationalizations, reasons, and excuses. They tend to hide actual motives.
In this situation, whatís the actual motive for the lockdowns?
Do you really need me to confirm it? Control. Over populations.
But you yourself, when you made the world and everything in itóyou were exercising extreme control.
Really? Is that what you think? I never changed or corrected what I was doing? I never stopped to consider an alternative? The bible says it all happened in six days. Do you suppose I was sitting somewhere counting? Saying, ďAll right, that was Tuesday, and now Iím almost in the middle of the weekÖĒ
You made mistakes?
I made changes. A mistake is when an engineer looks at his plans and says, ďThis wonít work. The bridge will fall down.Ē I wasnít building a bridge. Iím an artist. I had an infinity of possibilities before me. I could have gone a trillion different ways.
Did you create viruses?
Cutting to the chase, eh? All right, letís get down to it. I made a lot of little particles. Some of them can alter their forms. But in the sense you mean it, no. I didnít make Rockefeller-type germs, each one of which supposedly causes a so-called specific disease. Thatís a human story. A nonsensical fairy tale. Iím not on the hook for that. Thatís a business model.
So what about SARS-CoV-2?
What about it? Itís the kind of shadow people are afraid of. They think, as theyíre walking around, that the shadow follows them. And eventually, some pathetic character will say heís discovered the cause behind the shadowóand itís the sun. So the sun has to be neutralized. Or blocked off. Or shut down. Or changed.
So accusing the sun of causing all the trouble is like saying diseases are really genetic in origin, and in order to cure the diseases we have to re-engineer humans.
And meanwhile, a pipe from a factory is leaking into a river, and the river is filled with poison, and the fish are dying, and people who swim in the river and drink the water are getting sick and dying. But to protect the company that owns the factory, scientists say the people have defective genes and thatís the problem. Another business model.
Did you make SARS-CoV-2?
No. Why would I?
Then who made it?
Who made the shadows people are afraid of? The press, governments, propagandists.
Who made the actual virus?
I believe Iíve already answered that question.
I want a clear answer on the record.
And I want to lead you to give your own answer. What good does it do to make a pronouncement from on high?
And youíre free.
I was afraid weíd get into a pickle over this issue.
It isnít just a pickle, my friend. Itís a whole apocalyptic pastrami sandwich on rye with mustard. The people of Earth have to decide whether they want to destroy themselves or lift themselves up with vital life-forceówhich, by the way, is the ultimate immune system.
You canít make that decision for us.
I could, but then I would just be a super Bill Gates.
Freedom means freedom.
Thatís the ticket. If you buy it, then as they say, you take the ride.
You have empathy for us?
In my own way, more than you know.
Does SARS-CoV-2 exist?
Does fear exist?
Youíre saying both questions are the same? Look, these virologists in their labsótheyíre working with soup in a dish, and theyíre saying theyíve isolated a virus. Theyíre not isolating anything.
Donít you think Iíve been in those labs? I have wide, wide experience. Iíve been everywhere. Watching the virologists is like watching a cheap circus act. When itís over, you want your money back. I have to go now. I have appointments to slap some priests of various religions on the head. Theyíre taking my name in vain.
Thatís a lot of priests. It must keep you very busy.
Itís similar to doing a spot-check of products coming off the assembly line.
Why donít you just shut down the line?
Why donít I make everything everywhere perfect all at once? Because Iím not running a puppet show.
Some people want a puppet show.
Iím not Fauci or Klaus Schwab.
Then slap those two.
Oh I have. But they like it. Sadists often do.
If a person was going to be executedÖyou know, killed; and he could save his life if he answered one question CORRECTLY ON THE BASIS OF ABSOLUTE TRUTH; and the question was, does the SARS-CoV-2 virus exist; and he prayed to you to give him the answer, would you?
What would you tell him?
Iíd tell him it doesnít exist.
But you would never reveal that to me.
Of course not.
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The author of three explosive collections, THE MATRIX REVEALED, EXIT FROM THE MATRIX, and POWER OUTSIDE THE MATRIX, Jon was a candidate for a US Congressional seat in the 29th District of California. He maintains a consulting practice for private clients, the purpose of which is the expansion of personal creative power. Nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, he has worked as an investigative reporter for 30 years, writing articles on politics, medicine, and health for CBS Healthwatch, LA Weekly, Spin Magazine, Stern, and other newspapers and magazines in the US and Europe. Jon has delivered lectures and seminars on global politics, health, logic, and creative power to audiences around the world. You can sign up for his free NoMoreFakeNews emails here or his free OutsideTheRealityMachine emails here.