: The Election is over! Trump lost through fraud

Lionel said, "They stole it from him, fair and square." :)

Lionel sounds like he doesn't expect that to change. Maybe he thinks that way because Trump did not do as Lionel was suggesting prior to the election, which was to stay continuously before the public and speaking about the possibility of fraud.

Meanwhile, Andrew Klavan also doesn't even think there's enough evidence of fraud to account for Trump's loss. Maybe he thinks that way because he believed, prior to the election, that Trump's rudeness and general style was alienating voters in the suburbs. Since Trump didn't change his style or pay keener attention to the folks in the suburbs, Klavan sees that as a solid reason for an actual loss of the election.

I see both those things as evidence of 'confirmation bias', something those of us who believe the election is not yet over, not yet settled, also may be guilty of.

Perhaps there's evidence of that in your belief, also? You mention "some information" you got on November 20. You don't detail that information or mention its source, but clearly you have considerable faith in it, just as Klavan has considerable faith in his idea about the suburbs.

: What will now happen is erratic discord inside the United
: States until the top blows. The first civil war/unrest is
: growing roots.

I'd question whether any of us really knows "what will happen now". I'd agree that half the country may be displeased with the outcome, whichever way it goes - unless there's a coming forth of a huge amount of evidence that can change minds, about not just the current election but about how our world has been being run.

I think we may actually see that happen.

--hobie