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SHORT COURSE: HOW TURKEY CAN START THE WWIII, AFTER SU-24 AFFAIR DID NOT WORK WELL

Posted By: IZAKOVIC
Date: Wednesday, 16-Dec-2015 12:31:16
www.rumormill.news/35311

In Response To: Another incident between Russian and Turkish ships (IZAKOVIC)

TURKS WILL SOON SINK RUSSIAN SHIP: Erdogan is pushing his country into the abyss, sea will soon burn!

http://www.kurir.rs/planeta/turci-ce-uskoro-potopiti-ruski-brod-erdogan-gura-svoju-drzavu-u-provaliju-uskoro-ce-goreti-more-clanak-2058715

19:13, 12/14/2015

Scenario will be as fallows.
The launch of DM2A4 torpedoes from submarine type 209 will performed from the territorial waters of Turkey (from around of Northern Cyprus or the border between Syria and Turkey). It is possible to launch from different directions from the same type of different submarines. For shooting will be selected distance of 30-50 kilometers from the target.

On eight december Youth Justice and Development Party of the Recep Erdogan practically interrupted a speech of the Prime Minister of Turkey, Ahmet Davutoglu. The presenters were shouting "Hit more! So they do not push their nose here! "- That is, they requested to continue attacks on Russian jets.

Will it continue? Is it possible a new provocations and where from could it come?
Here's because of this kind of warnings stepped out Moscow military analyst Alexei Leonkov.


Rostov-on-Don

Does this mean that the provocations will continue?

Most likely, yes. For Erdogan is urgently needed an external enemy to which will be possible to attribute the emergence of the economic hole because of the absence of Russian tourists and the "oil Lira" from the store with the ISIL.

After the first strike, "shot in the back", as was named by Vladimir Putin, the state leadership of Turkey made no move to de-escalate the conflict with Russia. All her subsequent moves, and the deployment of troops on the territory of Syria and Iraq, indicate only one thing - there will be more provocatios.
Turkey is behaving according to the Ukrainian scenario. Kiev in order to bring Russia into the international conflict committed a monstrous crime in Odessa and genocide against its own population in the southeast in the Donetsk and Lugansk areas.

It seems that the youth of Erdogan's party is really looking to the future: they will try to shoot down our planes despite the deployment of the S-400 systems to Syria, coverage by our fleet and escort by our best hunter jets?

No, this "path" is closed to the Turkish provocateurs. But let us remember the first provocation: it was possible because in Turkey and NATO all knew the characteristics of our aircraft. Among other things, that the jet warning radar radiation station SPO-15S in the airplane insufficiently reliably covered a plane from the lower hemisphere, from whence it was carried out unprovoked attack by Turkish F-16s.
Now Russia has taken measures to protect the Group aerospace forces, by the deployment of the S-400 in the air base "Hmejmim". Our airplanes during sorties will be accompanied by hunters armed with "air-air" missiles. The missile cruiser "Moskva" approached the shores of Syria and its air defense system provides additional protection. It is enough to protect aircraft aerospace power.


Destroyer Smetlivi

Do you think that the target of the following provocation will be different?

Yes. The aim of such provocations can be one of the ships of the Russian Navy, which is located off the coast of Syria.

Do you think that a attack on these ships is possible by the Turkish Navy special unit SAT?

Why complicate?
Turk Navy has 16 frigates, eight corvettes and 14 submarines. It is the subs that could be an instrument of provocation, especially the Type 209. They were built for Turkey in German shipyard Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft AG in Kil.

Submarine Type 209 is practically ideal for coastal positional engagements. The silence and modest dimensions make it very undetectable in shallow waters. Armament it has enables it to fight against both ships and submarines. Her main armament are 14 DM2A4 torpedoes which are made by the German company "Atlas Elektronik." The torpedo holds the record for a range of 140 km and a speed of 92.6 kilometers per hour (50 knots). Is equipped with modern navigation system and connection, which allows precise control of torpedo the whole shooting distance. Warhead weights 260 kilograms of explosives that is equivalent to 460 kilograms of TNT. All these characteristics, which go beyond of the characteristics of the "Ekzoset" missile makes these torpedos serious threats to any target.

But the torpedo attack is quite easy to reveal by the means of detection which have ships of the Russian group?

Military analyst Maxim Klimov not so long ago wrote that NATO has made high-precision torpedo system to seamlessly engage targets. Comparing the efficiency of our anti ship torpedoes with those from elsewhere, he pointed out that it is like comparing the characteristics of sniper rifles with the characteristics of a gun. Klimov also said placing emphasis solely on missiles as the sole agents for shooting the ships is wrong, highlighting the role of torpedoes.
Modern NATO torpedoes have speed of 28 knots are extremely silent (noise of 14 decibels is equal to the noise of forest leaves) and to our hydroacoustics on our antisubmarine ships group of Russian Navy off the coast of Syria (patrol boats "Ładna", "Pitljivi" and "Smetljivi") will be dificult to notice the threat from the depths.

But how will the Turkish torpedo boat approach the distance for the launch? Because it will then find itself in the range of our ships, which equals to the collective suicide!

The scenario could be as follows.
The launch of torpedoes DM2A4 from the submarine type 209 will be performed in the territorial waters of Turkey (ambient towns of Northern Cyprus or the border of Syria and Turkey). It is possible to launch them from different directions with the same type of various submarines. For shooting will be selected distance of 30-50 kilometrara from the target. Torpedoes will reach regions of targets at a speed of 28 knots and after detecting the target will move to the full speed of 50 knots at a short distance of 1-2 kilometers. Chances to avoid such torpedo by targeted boat will be virtually none.
The danger in this scenario is that the antisubmarine ships have systems for anti-submarine operations. But they have no systems against the high precision torpedoes. Therefore, the probability of hitting the big ship - the cruiser, large Landing Ship or transport vessel is rather high.

And what about the reciprocal attack?

We will not be able to hit the aggressor. Firstly, the submarine will be in coastal waters of NATO countries - Turkey. Secondly, an attempt to discover these submarines will be perceived as an act of direct aggression against Turkey, whose navy is already in a state of full combat readiness. Thirdly, it will be virtually impossible to determine where torpedo came from and prove that it was an act of aggression. Satellites and drones will not be able to help us.

Website "WikiLeaks' claims that the preparations for the attack on the Su-24M Turks began in October. It may turn out that the operation was "shot in the back 2" is already preparing. On what features may recognize that it started?

The probability of such a scenario is quite high.
The first step is the change of the deployment location of the French aircraft carrier "Charles de Gaulle". It has already been announced, but for some reason no one paid attention to the fact that to the Air France Force is more convenient to bomb Islamic State or the its environment from the coast of Syria, then from the Persian Gulf.

The second step will be provocations by commercial and passenger fleet of Turkey, whose ships will begin "by chance" get into the proximity of the ships of the Navy of Russia (already happened these days). Our group will begin to be "protect" by NATO ships. As it now does, US Navy Destroyer "Carney", located in the neutral waters of Cyprus. We should not forget drones, whose number in the zone of action aerospace of Russian forces increased several times. Their massive appearance beside grouping Navy is also a serious symptom of increased espionage.
The third step can be distracting provocations in Crimea and the Turkish-Armenian border.

How to protect against these potential threats? Has our Ministry of Defence have appropriate 'Pills'?

Of course it does. As an urgent measure should be engaged submarines of the class 636.3 of the Black Sea Fleet to patrol, detection and, in the case of aggression, to destroy opponents submarines.
That has already been done: class submarines 636.3 "Rostov-on-Don", which sailed from the Baltic Sea corrected its course and joined our group off the coast of Syria. In the future, I think, it will be replaced by the submarines of the same class, and "Rostov" will return to its base.

However, the main decision should be following.
Modern anti-torpedo system "Pack-NK" is already installed on our new class regattas 22.350 and 20.380 class corvettes and 20.385. These ships have a system for detecting torpedoes over long distances. So, just in case, to urgently resolve the issue these ships should be sent to the place of dislocation of our group off the coast of Syria.
Every provocation can be prevented, if the the necessary measures are taken in the proper time.

(Facts)

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F-16 Designer: Turkey 'Set up an Ambush' for Unsuspecting Russian Su-24

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=34860

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IZAKOVIC -- Wednesday, 16-Dec-2015 11:27:03
SHORT COURSE: HOW TURKEY CAN START THE WWIII, AFTER SU-24 AFFAIR DID NOT WORK WELL
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