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2-18-15 TNT DINAR CC (Notes by Adept1):

Replay 805.399.1500, PIN CODE 409029#

http://events.instantteleseminar.com/?eventid=66145179

Tony: Good morning, TNT! Today is Wednesday, February 18, 2015. We’re running a little bit rate, but here we all are, and everyone seems to be feeling good. We had an information call this morning, and one of our intel members bought a new BMW in NC… tried to snowboard with it in a parking lot! They don’t do that well!

I have to bring up Ray. On Valentine’s Day, it was really special for him because both his son and his daughter got engaged on V-Day, so his family is going crazy in a good way. As soon as that happens, they are on their own, so I can’t wait for that day! Congratulations to Ray, and my niece and nephew!

So… we’ll tell you where we are at and what to look for. We will give you a pay-out plan for each one (dong and dinar) at different rates of what we are hearing, and why there are different rates. Before that, the most important thing we have for today is that there is a new Anthony in the world – one of our members had a baby last night and named it after me! My wife is okay with that so long as it doesn’t have my LAST name! The baby is 7lb 7oz, and 19”. The mother is mini-pickles on the board, and the baby is Dawson Anthony. He was born last night and the whole chat room was involved in it!

A lot will happen in the next couple of hours/days. I will qualify that, too. I will ask the intelligent people to BE intelligent – go on with life and look towards the future. We were sending out some messages on Twitter, and I saw some of you were fighting the idiots. You don’t have to fight for me; they as simply not thinking correctly. Don’t let that burden you. What you should be doing right now is keeping your focus on YOUR future. For some of these ‘fidiots’ it’s all about ‘Tony’, but it’s never been about me. It’s about the process and what you are going through in the next few hours or days. So we will give the information again, with the rates and why those rates, so it should be an interesting call with a lot of good information for you.

So… we put out a text saying that Kurdistan is saying (their words) “We want out money” so everyone would know it. That was yesterday and we are still here…

DC: Congratulatons to Ms. Pickles and to Ray, of course. In Iraq, as discussed for a while, the Budget has gone through the normal process for the first time in years. The Budget has been done in the past but not in the true Parliamentary fashion under Maliki, but under Abadi it has gone through properly, in record time. There have been articles saying that the President has signed, it is ratified, and it is in the Gazette although that has not been made public. We talk to people who are intimately involved in the process, so we know for sure it is in the Gazette. However, because it puts the whole system into a bind, they have chosen not to publish it publically. There are many systems or aspects that still need to be tweaked. About 99% of the tweaks are a big fat ‘duh’, and a few stil have to be done. They are made necessary by exposure. Because Maliki and a few others are being a pain in the ass, they are blocking the Budget until this, that or the other project are still not strictly ready. They had planned to put out the Budget first and first the rest, but they haven’t dotted all the Is, etc. They palnned to tdo that on Saturday, and on Tuesday they started again but didn’t finish because Maliki slowed it all down again. We understand from the guys we know in Parliament that they have everything worked out and after that it will be published and then the RV will be free and clear to go.

Tony: We know it was time to go on Saturday and it didn’t because one of the MPs and his staff was killed. We also heard that possibly Maliki and his friends were behind that to get this RV stopped. We got through that process, and things they agreed didn’t need to do until afterwards Maliki is throwing up in their face, saying they are illegal, unfinished, etc… either by Maliki or those loyal to him, just to cause a problem. So why don’t we just get rid of Maliki and make this happen? It’s easier said than done, because of ISIL and who is backing them. It would increase ISIL and the disruption between the two at this moment.

DC: A lot of these guys are melting away because they see the problems; some just want attention. It’s a silly, stupid move to make, it gets nowhere, but sometimes politicians do that kind of thing to get attention. Maliki is not controlling the process but it’s causing disruption and delay. They are dealing with it. We are not worried about. Several key folks have acknowledged publicly that the Budget has been ratified and published in the Gazette.

Tony: After this is done, there is no reason for them NOT to get rid of him, so Maliki is stalling this to save his own neck. Then they can show what he did for eight years and the public will become aware.

DC: So we are waiting on these final laws that are in agreement with the Budget, just the last few things in the various departments. They have already been negotiated and agreed to, it’s just cranking sausage to get them out at this point. It just takes a quorum to get into Parliament and do it. If that is done tomorrow, we will have an RV in the morning; if it takes until tomorrow, we will have an RV on Friday. Everyone in Iraq is ready; they need it against ISIL and for the country. There is immense pressure on Abadi to get this done, in part because the Iraqis are now cynical towards their leaders. Look at Saddam Hussein and Maliki – not in the Top twenty of all time. Iraqis have a bad taste in their mouths from 20 years of those guys, and Abadi knows it and knows he needs to get this done. Iraq is talking to many other countries to get this done, not least because they need it to curb ISIL. Will Iraq go broke without it? They have a little in hand to pay their functionaries and the police, but not to pay Kurdistan, their foreign debts and contracts, or to fight ISIL. Everyone apart from Maliki is supporting Abadi to get this done. Some believe this has broken down and gone to hell, even a few people in the US, but the politicians in Parliament and the Iraqi government are saying that the US just doesn’t understand the Arabic way of communication, which is confrontational and vocal. We think they are going to have a fist-fight, and an hour later they get over it and have coffee together. So they are doing alright. The laws are supposed to be completed today, and then we are good to go.

Tony: They are publicly telling people that this is ready to go, including the leaders of the provinces, in articles, etc. They have special planes delivering the currency to the provinces that are supposed to have it. That is how close they are to delivering this to us, and the only thing now is making sure the money gets out of the politicians’ hands into the hands of the general public, and those procedures should be finalized today. It’s nothing we can control, we don’t’ have the exact moment in time. No one will be notified on this side until it is done, although we do get calls from the other side! Let’s say it happens in an hour; what do we do now?

DC: The US is just waiting on Iraq; as soon as they go, the UST, IMF, administration and banks are all ready to go.

Tony: I just got a note from Pam saying Iraq has been all done and ready, they just have to do X, and then they will be done. There was an agreement that certain things would be done afterwards, until it changed. Then they decided to get everything done, because Maliki was using those rules to stall this again. It’s just minor things, paperwork, that has already been agreed. They are ready, ready, ready… and then they’re not. They are still preparing. That’s just how it is!

Rates: Over the last 4-5 years, rates have gone up and down. There have been a number of rates for both the dinar and the dong. We have always looked at the dinar as $3.22 + 20%. We heard 47 cents to $1.05 for the dong over the last 2-3 years, so why are we now hearing eight cents for the dong, and $3.58-3.91 for the dinar when Shabibi said it could be a lot higher. We know that some people have exchanged at $32 for the dinar and $2 for the dong. Pam says some people report $4+ for the dong, but I don’t see how that can be.

Suppose the dong does come out at eight cents; I remember being told by another ‘guru’ that if the dong came out at five cents, that would be the end of the world! Is it because they think if they drop it down to eight cents we will still be happy (after five cents)? Is it a sucker rate? I’ll let DC answer that…

DC: Currently it is at eight cents, but that could change tomorrow. It has changed throughout the process, and could change back up to .47 or 2.47! We don’t know because although we have a ton of sources for dinar, we have fewer sources for the dong. We get information from IMF, UST, and other banking sources. Why did it drop so far? Is this the Chinese or Vietnamese information? Is this a UST rate so that the US can jam it to the Vietnamese before it goes up? We just don’t know. The rate has changed so many times. Once we figure out the real issue, those who have a lot more power than we do have insisted that the general public get treated fairly. That is why we let you know that the dong rate may be eight cents, in case you were totally focused on the dinar and not the dong. Part of us keeping this system honest (which is our unofficial job) is to keep everyone aware of what is going on – including the guys in the UST, the Fed, etc. Those who have the power to right these wrongs have done so consistently, in part because we bring them to their attention. We just don’t have as much information about the dong. So it’s stupid to get all worked up without enough information. If it comes out at eight cents, you still get a return on investment (ROI) of 8,000%. Now, some did get $2.47, and some people in power will say “This isn’t right, how can we adjust it appropriately?” There will be legal issues, and all will come out in history, so you have to trust that those in power will set this right if unless there is a darn good explanation. It is my firm belief that it will get fixed, so keep your head in the meantime. It’s changed 20-30 times in the last 4-5 months. We do have access to it, and we will let you know what we find out. We will be under NDA, but there are other more powerful people who will not be under NDA and they have the juice to call a press conference and let the public know about any injustice.

As for me, I’m happy some people have got the contract rate because that gives us insurance that things will be fair for us. I’m jealous, but I’m still happy for them and because that tells us what is possible for us. It will come out in public, and it will work itself out.

Tony: Obviously, guys, we don’t believe in the eight cent rate for the dong. It’s being said all around the world and it may come out at eight cents, but I think they are making a big mistake if it does. They cannot think that people are that dumb, that it won’t go up to the rates it has already been exchanged at or that they have projected over the last few years. I can say that because we are not yet under an NDA. It makes sense, and I just want to help here. I am not telling anybody what to do. I’m just saying that if I were you, and the dong came out at eight cents, and I had 1-2 million dong, would I go and exchange my dong? Absolutely not! Because I know at one point it was over a dollar. It’s going to hit Forex, the market and the hedge funds, and people with millions invested in Vietnam. They are going to buy every dong they can find and the rate will go up. You can then decide at what point you want to exchange, while it’s going up (because it will come down a lot faster than it goes up). If you can exchange your dinar and tell your banker when you want to exchange your dong, they will watch it for you. You can watch it yourself with an app that will alert you when it gets to the rate you like. You can pick up the phone and exchange when the bank or your exchanger dealer gets to that rate. The exchanger may not be able to process your sell order that day, but they can lock in that rate for you. You have to have the guts to do that, though. I can only tell you what I see; you have to take action. I can’t foresee the future, but I can tell you that if dong comes out at eight cents, Bill Gates and I will have a run for our money. I can’t see them being that stupid, but if they are, that can be your second RV within 90 days. Put your money to work before you spend it. That is the first place I will put my money to work. I don’t care if my money is already in the bank or at the exchanger, I’m putting it to work. If it comes out at 50 cents, then I’m all in, because I don’t know how much higher it will go before dropping down again. That is a much higher risk.

So… we don’t think it will come out at eight cents, because they cannot justify the higher rates they paid out earlier. If it does come out at eight cents, it will go up to something closer to 50 cents, we think. It could just be BS, it could be that they want Vietnam and China to work for it. It could come out at the rates we have been hearing, closer to .47.

Before we have callers, Pam says it is One-Question Wednesday.

707 caller: I have one question with a couple of parts to it. What is the difference between going to the banks vs. going to Sterling or another exchanger? What’s the difference in fees? What about contract rates?

DC: All the currency brokers we have talked to are NOT offering contract rates. If it comes out at $3.58 like Iraq has been suggesting, that is the exchange rate. They plan to be competitive, with fees under 2%. However, they have not put in writing. They are still very much in the ‘let’s see how it goes when we get there’ mode. If the banks charge 2%, they may go for 1%.

Only the banks have access to the contract rate as long as there is money in that pool. With the exchangers, you will NOT be signing any agreements about keeping your money in that particular bank for a period of time. The banks will have to compete with that if they want to hold onto your money. Therefore, if you are going for international rates, it is greatly to your advantage to go to the exchangers rather than the banks. However, the banks are the only ones who will have contract rates.

The banks are generally planning to charge a 2% fee. There may be room to negotiate on that once you get with your wealth manager. So the banks may have higher rates, the exchangers will probably have lower fees and fewer restrictions.

713 caller: You’ve done a great job talking about different strategies for people to accomplish their individual goals. If you have a significant of dong, dinar, rupiah and zim, I heard that you can hold them in Multi-Currency Accounts (MCA) and have a loan against them. Will there be stipulations or time constraints on that?

DC: So, you are asking how long you can keep out large denominations before you can put them in MCAs, right? It used to be a firm 30 days; it’s now 90 days, and also there is a sliding scale depending on your amounts and your background. The main purpose of the time limits is to capture bad guys. They didn’t want mules to come in later, meaning people forced to carry money or drugs for bad people. They don’t want dinar/dong to be funneled in to criminal organizations, so they would prefer everyone to exchange as quickly as possible. In the first week or so, there will be lines out the door. However, if you come in a month or so later, there will be investigations, and that will take longer.

Now, MCAs are mainly set up by people with lots of business overseas; it’s not normally used as an investment vehicle or as an operating account. You can try to find banks with MCAs that will take dinar or dongs, but they are rare and hard to find. I’m sure there are banks that will do it because they will make money off it, but you may have to search.

Tony: If I have an MCA account, how long can I leave it there? And can I borrow against that money?

DC: Yes to both questions. If it’s an asset, you can borrow against it. Expect that bank to keep a margin – that is, they may only be willing to lend you 20% or 50%. You will be more exposed when it comes to dinar or zim because they are exotic currencies now. As they get older and more stable, you can borrow more against such currencies.

850 caller: I understand that someone will notice if you wire a large sum of money to an individual; is that true? What about between financial institutions?

DC: Once they get used to your spending patterns, there will be a lot more leeway. If you are new to this, and you want to wire $15 million to your best friend, then they will be nervous. But if you are wiring from one bank to another, and each bank knows ahead of time, then it should be okay.

Tony: We have been told by banks NOT to wire more than 500K in the first 30 days, because that will be held up. If you want to buy something like a house or car, get a cashier’s check. If you want to diversify, have your banker talk to the other banker, and everyone will be fine, without an issue.

Caller: I’m in Florida, which doesn’t have income tax. I can exchange it in Alabama, which is probably closest to me. Should I stay in Florida? Or does it depend on where I live?

Tony/DC: We don’t know. California will try to get everything they can, even if you are not resident here. In general, you will be taxed where you live OR where you are actually doing business.

Tony: If NBA players come and play in California, they have to pay CA tax on that money, even if they are here for less than a day. So be cautious and take advice.

601 caller: Let’s say Abadi and Barzani are alive and that correlates to an RV. Abadi, whom I respect, says he is committed to economic reform, even to the point of assassination. What do you think is the likelihood of them being alive until the end of this month? How good is their protection? Are those guys safe?

Tony: You want us to take bets on whether they will make it to the end of the month?!

DC: All the top officials, the Council of Ministers and other top Iraqi politicians are all guarded by top-tier folks, some of whom we actually know. They are very competent. Yes, ISIL is beheading people and setting them on fire; when there is this much change there is a hell of a lot of resistance. However, I believe that the people guarding them are loyal and very competent, so I think they are safe and comfortable.

256 caller: Me and my wife just got married, and we’ve seen a house we like, so I hope this comes through before the 23rd. Should we get a cashier’s check? Do we need to stick to Wells Fargo to get the contract rate? [Appreciation]

DC: They are all trained and all the banks are supposed to have the contract rate available as long as it lasts… including tier 2 banks. The way they are going, they should get this solved today or tomorrow. It looks really good.

719 caller: DC, I heard that this call was delayed because you were watching Fifty Shades of Grey…

DC: My wife and her girlfriends went to see it, and they liked it. There was a chopped they really liked…

Caller: Doesn’t the UST get oil credits if we exchange through the banks but not if we go through the dealers?

DC: It depends on where they make their deal. A lot of banks will have deals with Sterling and other dinar traders because they have a bunch of dinar.

Caller: There was a discussion on the zim – 2008, series AA – and one person said they had already been called in and their currency was invalidated. There was an argument, like with the dong, that we would be told it wasn’t a valid currency anyway.

DC: We know folks who have taken SKRs on zim, so I’m pretty comfortable it’s still out there. Tehre are only something like 6,000 who have zim, a very much smaller group than dinar-holders. So I’m not surprised if the bankers just haven’t been trained for zim.

Tony: If someone is telling you that, ask where they got their information. Why are they telling you that? Are they trying to get hold of your zim? If it is an authorized currency, why wouldn’t they exchange it? After all, they want you to deposit your money in their bank. If anyone is messing with you, that will become public. Why would they go through all that scrutiny if it comes out in the end, and they do want you money.

Caller: I hope we don’t talk to you after today! Keep the pressure on! [Appreciation]

Tony: You really don’t have to listen to all that other noise out there. We will know because we will get messages from overseas. We will also get the package and that will tell you the rates, where to go, the whole process. If they take that out of the process [meaning our four calls], I still get 15 minutes to tell you goodbye.

858 caller: So when you say ‘six zeroes’, you mean drop six zeros from the zim, so that 100 trillion becomes 100 million?

DC: Yes, then times the rate, which will probably be 5-16 cents. [So 100 trillion = 5-16 million dollars]

702 caller: How long, DC?

DC: Not very long at all. Barring major upsets, tonight or tomorrow.

Caller: You keep saying ‘exchange’, but the 104 form says ‘investment’. Do we have the power to negotiate that? And will that change the tax liability?

Tony: The bank cannot determine your investments. This is an exchange. [The caller has the wrong end of the stick; the form has changed, and the bank CAN mark it as an exchange.] I don’t sign things I don’t agree with, so if I have to go somewhere else, that’s what I do, or I X it out and change it. And I don’t know what the tax liability will be. We’ll know when we get the package. We should be able to go to the bank immediately after that.

DC: We’re waiting to see how Parliament works out and if they completed everything – whether they wrapped up those minor laws today or if they have to continue tomorrow. That is all we are waiting on. They are still meeting, and they had planned on doing it last night.

Pam: You know more than you think you do. Get everything you need off the forum; print it up and put it in a notebook. You are prepared. Don’t panic.

Ray: “Wait and see what happens Wednesday”, eh?

Tony: The news is good. We are still waiting, and we still think it will be after 4pm EST and before 5am EST. Don’t stay up all night. We don’t care what day it is; the moment they get this done, it will be released. They know who tried to stop it Saturday; they are still listening to this call on Iraq, “even the enemy”. They know how this RV will affect everyone in Iraq and in the world; we are not telling them anything the top brass and intelligence agencies don’t already know. I hope we’ll have a call tomorrow, and if not, on Friday. Be kind to each other; you can have a discussion without having to argue or have Pam decide if you can be part of TNT or not. There are still too many things we get to talk about. Otherwise, enjoy your day!

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