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Reader Charles: "I believe these questions are of high public service in accord with the American experiment in self governance."

Posted By: hobie
Date: Wednesday, 13-Jan-2021 05:52:26
www.rumormill.news/122017

(Thanks, C. :)

(My impression: The original Constitution, which had/has no Bill of Rights, was a compact of/by/for the People, that created the federal government. The second Constitution, the one with a Bill of Rights and a dozen or so amendments, is a contract of/by/for the People, specifying what powers and restrictions apply to those occupying positions in that federal government ('service agents'). The third Constitution, the one with over 20 amendments but lacking the original 13th, is an internal charter document of what we've called "Corp US", a legal fiction lawfully created by Congress for handling its business affairs. I don't have specific citations for any of this; it's my impression.)

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Anna Von Reitz: "For All The Jural Assemblies- 49 Republic or Republican, Civil or Civilian"
hobie -- Monday, 22-Apr-2019 00:17:19

...Reader Charles Miller writes:

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Re: Anna Von Reitz: 'For All The Jural Assembl....

I believe these questions are of high public service in accord with the American experiment in self governance.
What future does any country or individual have to look forward to when legitimate questions can not be asked?


Whoís cow is so sacred it is exempt from being gored?

For close to 30 years Iíve watched this type semantics involved in the kinds of arguments put forth in this article. So me being the hardheaded I am I ask questions.

Letís open the dialogue by a few really simple understandings. The reason I say understanding is because to understand all you need to do is read the contracts the way they are written. Reference to a good dictionary particularly one of the time when the foundational documents were written is very illuminating.

Are the foundational documents of this country, the declaration, the original state 13 constitutions, the articles of Confederation, and the treaty of Paris 1783 contracts?

If theyíre not contracts what are they?

Do these foundational documents meet the definition of contract?

If not why not?

Is the federal Constitution is a contract and if so who are the direct parties and who are the principles?

Itís a federal Constitution is not a contract why not, and what is it?

Which part of the federal Constitution authorized any act of the three branches of government created there, to create corporations?

If the constitution for the federal United States does not have a power identified in it, where would that power come from given the understanding that operating power actually exists at the present moment and is in operation?

When does a fraud stop being a fraud and what power does a fraud have over anyone?

How valid is any presumption?

If the foundational documents are in fact contracts, who are the parties, what was the intent, what was transferred as consideration, and who are the beneficiaries of the contracts?

If anyone is not a party to a contract as a principal, are they allowed to have benefits from the contract?

If anyone is not a part of the contract as a principal, are they allowed to pass judgment on the contract or the parties thereto?

Which part of any of the foundational documents, contracts, creating governments in this country bars our service agents from creating a corporation to dispense their services to us?

Which part of any of the foundational documents, including and in particular the federal Constitution, authorized the government in any manner to regulate the people that create a governmentís?

When is a fraud not a fraud?

How can a piece of paper with words on it be a fraud if no man is giving the fraud life by his actions?

In the event there are some answers to these questions that could be considered legitimate attempts to open a dialogue perhaps this country has a future.

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Reader Charles: "I believe these questions are of high public service in accord with the American experiment in self governance."
hobie -- Wednesday, 13-Jan-2021 05:52:26
Reader JT: "What a ridiculous attempt to open an intelligent debate."
hobie -- Wednesday, 13-Jan-2021 05:52:26
Reader JT: "When is a fraud not a fraud? Illogical question."
hobie -- Wednesday, 13-Jan-2021 05:52:26
Reader Scuba: "Hobie is on the right track, there is not just one Constitution."
hobie -- Wednesday, 13-Jan-2021 05:52:26
Reader: "Hobie is correct but mistaken at the same time."
hobie -- Wednesday, 13-Jan-2021 05:52:27
Reader: "well there are certainly more trust indentures than that ..."
hobie -- Wednesday, 13-Jan-2021 05:52:27
Reader Charles: "Thank you Hobie for your comments. These open a dialogue where ..."
hobie -- Wednesday, 13-Jan-2021 05:52:27
Reader JT: "Charles seems to assume that I rely on any of the documents on his list."
hobie -- Wednesday, 13-Jan-2021 05:52:26
Reader: "Anyone who doesn't believe that there's more than one Constitution has not done their own thorough research."
hobie -- Wednesday, 13-Jan-2021 05:52:26

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