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...and back to Nemesis :)

Posted By: hobie
Date: Saturday, 30-Jul-2016 23:57:13
www.rumormill.news/52903

In Response To: TO HOBIE (Nemesis)

: Hi hobie... I've isolated your two thoughts to try to
: understand what you mean (I probably screwed it all up):
: Your propositions?: 1.
: hobie: human thought not reason for incarnating.

: nem: Our human thoughts may not be able to discover why we ARE
: incarnate??

: 2.

: hobie: intelligences not who we are in reality.

: nem: Prior to incarnation we may not be intelligences.

: nem: IF... if... you mean (human thinking is limited to this


: realities input ... and before becoming human we may not
: have been intelligences, then that certainly may be the
: case.

Almost. :) I'm saying that as humans, we probably don't have capacity to 'grok' fully how things are in the larger sense - so, our human idea of "intelligences" may be off-the-mark in terms of who we really are in spirit. And, whatever thought we might come up with about why we're incarnate will likely be something that's in keeping with our human experience but not accurately reflective of the "larger sense" of why we're incarnate. :)

: I knew I shouldn't have added the last part of the initial
: post and just stuck with: Energy particles did not ask to
: be formed.
: Humans did not ask to be created.
: .........................

: When energy is organized to form something, does it have a
: choice in the matter?

Does it need one? Does it even want one? Suppose it's simply delighted to serve?

: When a human is formed (out of energy) does the human have a
: choice in the matter at the moment it becomes human?
: .........................

(Ah.) The question presumes that "the human" is separate from whoever, whatever, forms and enlivens the human heart, mind, and body.

: To me, these are paradigm changing questions, whether the
: answers to the two questions are yes or no.

: If "no" then the human is a FORCED CREATION and the
: energy used to create it is also FORCED, and whatever comes
: after is the result of the initial FORCE (not a willful
: act).

: If "yes" then there was no force, and whatever comes
: after is an act of wills.

I'd say we do, always, have freedom of choice, while at the same time things do work exactly the way they work and no other way.

But do we know the way things work? Assuming it's more than metaphor, the record says the one known as Jesus was able on at least one occasion to walk on water. That suggests that we don't know everything, either about how water works or about how our human bodies work. In general, human beings are unlikely to do anything they can't first imagine themselves doing. If we don't know the choice is there, we're unlikely to choose it.

: Obviously there is much to consider in either case, but to me,
: it's an intriguing question...though probably totally
: worthless if Hillary gets elected :) nem.

(heh) Perhaps not worthless; we have freedom to choose what attitude we'll have and what spirits we'll host in that situation as in any other. :)

Blessings.

--hobie

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WE DID NOT ASK TO BE CREATED
Nemesis -- Saturday, 30-Jul-2016 11:02:05
2 EMAILS
Nemesis -- Saturday, 30-Jul-2016 16:31:47
I'M INCLINED TO BELIEVE THAT WE CHOOSE OUR INCARNATIONS *NM*
food4thought -- Saturday, 30-Jul-2016 16:43:25
Oh For Sure We Did....
Watchman -- Saturday, 30-Jul-2016 16:56:14
YOU BOTH MISSED THE POINT...
Nemesis -- Saturday, 30-Jul-2016 18:58:05
Okay. :) If we are "eternal immortal intelligences", then...
hobie -- Saturday, 30-Jul-2016 20:36:11
TO HOBIE
Nemesis -- Saturday, 30-Jul-2016 21:48:54
...and back to Nemesis :)
hobie -- Saturday, 30-Jul-2016 23:57:13
to hobie - short and "sweet"
Nemesis -- Sunday, 31-Jul-2016 00:02:53
Reader: "NO, WE ARE, AT THIS JUNCTURE,...NOT ETERNAL IMMORTAL BEINGS. GET OVER THIS NONSENSE."
hobie -- Saturday, 30-Jul-2016 23:17:07
EVERY IDEA IS NONSENSE TO SOMEONE
Nemesis -- Sunday, 31-Jul-2016 00:16:26
Reader jd: "ahhh...hahhhh.haa.... Relax bro. That was a joke."
hobie -- Sunday, 31-Jul-2016 17:19:11
CGI's Morgan: "Yes, I read this. LOL. And this awesome conversation is ..."
hobie -- Sunday, 31-Jul-2016 23:39:02
ONE EMAIL ON "YOU MISSED THE POINT"
Nemesis -- Saturday, 30-Jul-2016 21:01:18

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