After all the that has gone on on these pages, it is obvious that there is something very important you are seeking from this process or you would put us all through this again. So let's see if I can help us all put a different side on this picture. I will answer you below in all-caps, not because I am 'yelling' at you, but because it will make it easier to distinguish my answers from your original post. I would also appreciate it if you'd try to read it to the end before you allowed yourself to judge what I am saying. Hopefully you will find some worth it:
: There are two aspects to David Icke and both are highly
: questionable. On the one hand he's pushing a message that
: is deeply, fundamentally, intrinsically ANTI-CHRISTIAN.
IF YOU MEAN THAT HE SEEMS QUITE DISATISFIED WITH THE OUTCOME OF CHRISTIANITY, MANY, MANY ARE DISATISFIED WITH THE OUTCOME OF CHRISTIANITY AS IT IS TODAY...SO VERY, VERY FAR FROM THE REAL TEACHINGS OF JESUS. IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ICKE'S UNHAPPINESS WITH THE PONTIFF, THEN AGAIN YOU ARE LIKELY NOT GOING TO FIND MUCH SYMPATHY HERE: FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN ON THESE PAGES, A GREAT MANY ARE EXTREMELY DISPLEASED WITH ROME AND DO INDEED CONSIDER THAT IT IS MERELY JUST THE CLANDESTINE CONTINUATION OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE WHICH WAS JUST A CONTINUATION OF SOMETHING EVEN MORE SINISTER.
: Such is Icke's charisma however that he's doing it with a
: smile and convincing the gullible and naive that he's
: illuminating them.
WHAT? THAT THE CHRISTIANITY PRACTICED TODAY ISN'T A VERY HEALTHY THING FOR HUMANITY? THAT IS A VERY DIFFICULT POINT TO WANT TO ARGUE.
Or as Nexus editor Duncan Roads put it:
: he can tell people that two and two is five and some are
: going to believe him.
HAVING DUNCAN ROADS SAY ANYTHING ABOUT DAVID ICKE IS EQUIVALENT TO THE OLD SAYING ABOUT THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK! FOR ALL HIS GENIUS, DUNCAN ROADS IS EVERY BIT THE EGO DAVID ICKE IS. AND DON'T GET ME WRONG HERE: THAT IS NOT A BAD THING. IT JUST IS. WITHOUT SUCH EGOS NEITHER OF THESE BRILLIANT MEN COULD HAVE CREATED THE THINGS THEY HAVE.
: This conclusion is not based on a few visits to his web site
: but on the first the hand experience of researchers,
: conference organisers and editors; people who've worked
: with David Icke and seen at first hand what he is really
: like. According to them he is fundamentally opposed to
: Christian teaching, as he himself freely admits.
WHY ARE YOU RELYING ON THOSE KINDS OF PEOPLE TO DO YOUR THINKING FOR YOU? THEY ALL HAVE AGENDAS. EVERY ONE OF THEM. IF YOU WERE TO DISSECT THEM AS YOU SEEM SO DETERMINED TO DISSECT DAVID ICKE, YOU WOULD FIND THAT THEY ALL HAVE AGENDAS THAT SUPPORT THEIR OWN EGOS. MOST OF THEM HARBOR ENVY AND JEALOUSY.
: "The alleged life of Jesus" Christ, says Icke (page
: 95 The Biggest Secret), was a myth created by the then
: ruling elite, the church authorities and the Holy Roman
: Emperor to further propagate their power.
YES. TO A GREAT DEGREE THIS IS VERY TRUE. THERE IS NO WAY TO PROVE THAT THE JESUS WE THINK OF AS THE CHRIST LIVED THE LIFE THAT CONSTANTINE PUT TOGETHER FOR HIM. BUT THAT SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM. WHO CARES WHERE AND WHEN HE LIVED? THE FACTIONS PEOPLE AND THE MAITREYA HANDLERS WANT TO FORCE-FEED YOU WITH THAT STORY, BECAUSE IF YOU BELIEVE IT THEN THEY CAN INSERT MAITREYA INTO HIS PLACE IN YOUR MIND. HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED THAT ICKE IS DOING YOU A FAVOR WHEN HE TELLS YOU THIS, BECAUSE HE IS MOVING YOU AWAY FROM YOUR EXTREME PROGRAM ON THIS ISSUE AND ALLOWING YOU THE FREEDOM TO REALIZE THAT REAL CHRISTIANITY HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH SUCH PETTY ARGUMENTS AS TO WHEN AND WHERE CHRIST MAY HAVE LIVED IN SOME ANCIENT TIME? THE REAL CHRIST...THE REAL CHRISTIANITY IS NOT 'OUT THERE', BUT IN YOU. IT IS LIVING...OR IT DOES NOT EXIST AT ALL. IT IS RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW IN THIS MOMENT. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE, AFTER ALL. HISTORY IS JUST THAT: A STORY. THAT IS ALL. IF YOU BELIEVE IN YOUR ABILITY TO KNOW THESE THINGS, YOU WILL HEAR THE LIVING SOUND OF YOUR PERFECT CHRIST ESSENCE RUSH THROUGH YOU NOW. YOU DON'T NEED A STORY OR A BIBLE OR SCRIPTURES TO EXPERIENCE IT. IT IS ALIVE, LIVING, PRESENT, NOW IN YOU. ...OR IT DOESN'T EXIST AT ALL...
TO PUT CHRIST OUT THERE IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S STORY ABOUT WHAT HE HAD TO BE IS TO MISS THE WHOLE EXPERIENCE THAT THE LIVING CHRIST WITHIN HAS TO OFFER YOU. ANYTHING ELSE IS A LIE. THE BIBLE ISN'T NOW. IT ISN'T YOUR STORY. IT IS A BOOK OF DEAD WORDS THAT ONLY GET THEIR LIFE FROM STEALING THE REAL CHRIST ENERGY AND SUCKING IT INTO THE PAST.
WHEN YOU COME AT YOUR CHRISTIANITY FROM THAT PLACE INSIDE OF YOU, YOU WILL NO LONGER BE THREATENED BY THE LIKES OF DAVID ICKE OR ESCLARMONDE BECAUSE YOU WILL SEE IN THEM THE SAME PLACE YOU SEE IN YOURSELF: THE LIVING CHRIST. IT IS IN EVERYONE. SOME PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPRESS THIS VERY WELL, ...AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE I CAN, FOR THAT MATTER, BUT THAT IS BECAUSE IT CAN'T REALLY BE TALKED ABOUT VERY WELL: IT MUST BE EXPERIENCED FIRST HAND BY ALL OF US.
: "You can write an entire book about the myths in the
: Bible," he writes in 'The Biggest Secret', page 100:
: "There is no credible evidence whatsoever for the
: existence of Jesus, nothing.
WELL, THIS IS TRUE, YOU KNOW. BUT WE DON'T LIKE IT, BECAUSE WE THINK WE ARE THE STORIES. WE ARE NOT. YOU ARE NOT. YOU ARE A REAL, LIVING, BREATHING, PERFECT HUMAN SPIRIT. THE ONLY THING LACKING IN YOU IS YOUR AWARENESS THAT THIS IS TRUE.
So it is with Solomon, Moses,
: David, Abraham, Samson and countless other biblical
: 'stars'. All we have are the Levite texts and the Gospel
: stories in their various versions. So desperate did the
: religious manipulators become to cross reference 'Jesus'
: that they inserted a pathetically obvious addition into the
: works of the Jewish historian, Josephus, to support the
NOW, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU A QUESTION: DOES IT MATTER? .... OKAY...AND WHY? PEOPLE CAN HAVE OPINIONS. THEY CAN HAVE IDEAS. THEY ARE ALLOWED. THEY CAN SPOUT THEIR IDEAS. SOME WILL EVEN BELIEVE THEM. SOME WILL NOT. SO WHAT? WHY DOES IT MATTER? THESE ARE ALL IDEAS AND IDEAS ARE PART OF STORY. THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIANITY BECAUSE THAT IS INSIDE OF YOU AND ONCE YOU HOLD IT IN THE MOMENT IT CANNOT BE TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU UNLESS YOU GIVE IT AWAY IN THE NEXT MOMENT BY BECOMING EMBROILED IN THE STORY AGAIN. (AND YOUR ANGER AT DAVID ICKE.)
: But he doesn't just deride the very notion of Christ, he goes
: out of his way to insinuate that the early Christians
: themselves were little better than terrorists:
AGAIN...FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE ROMANS, THEY WERE. SO WHAT? HE HAS PUT TOGETHER THE STORY FOR HIMSELF IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE TO HIM. LIKE MOST OF THOSE WHO ARE IN THE PROCESS OF PUTTING STORY TOGETHER, HE FILLS IN THE SPACES WITH WHATEVER INFORMATION HE HAS AVAILABLE AND THEN WHEN BETTER INFO COMES ALONG HE CHANGES IT. THAT IS 'MENTAL FLEXIBILITY'. IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT ASSET TO ANYONE LOOKING FOR TRUTH.
IN MY OWN LIFE I HAVE MANY TIMES BEEN ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY CERTAIN OF VARIOUS FACTS ABOUT RELIGION AND POLITICS...ONLY TO FIND SIX MONTHS LATER THAT MIND HAD GROWN AND SOMETHING ELSE NOW HELD SWAY THAT I HADN'T PREVIOUSLY BELIEVED. THIS IS TRUE OF ALL OF US. IT IS PART OF THE MATURATION OF MIND AS IT DIGS ITSELF OUT OF ITS PROGRAMMING. IT IS ALSO FREEDOM TO THE EXTENT THAT WE ARE CAPABLE OF EXPERIENCING IT. IT FORCES MIND TO BE FLEXIBLE AND ONLY BY BEING FLEXIBLE WILL WE BE READY FOR THE NEXT LESSON THAT LIFE PRESENTS US.
: are scores of documents relating to the Essene customs and
: organisation", he writes on page 96 of 'The Biggest
: Secret'. "The scrolls confirm that the Essense were
: fanatics who followed to the letter the Levite intentions
: in the Old Testament texts. Anyone who didn't do the same
: was the enemy…"
AND...DO YOU BELIEVE THIS? THEN WHY DOES IT BOTHER YOU? DAVID ICKE IS NOT TALKING TO YOU. HE IS TALKING TO THOSE WHO ARE IN NEED OF SOME ASPECT OF HIS INFORMATION. YOU DON'T, THEN JUST IGNORE IT. JUST BECAUSE YOU NO LONGER HAVE ANY INTEREST IN READING BAMBI DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU THROW IT OUT AND WARN YOUR CHILDREN THAT IT IS EVIL...RIGHT? I MEAN, THEY MAY ENJOY IT JUST AS YOU MIGHT HAVE WHEN YOU WERE A CHILD.
: Moreover he goes on to say that their inspiration and insights
: came not from meditation and fasting but from drugs. Yet as
: anyone who has read the Gospel of the Essenes knows, this
: is a complete misrepresentation of the early Christian sect
: that Christ was said to have belonged to.
WHY WOULD IT MATTER? VARIOUS MILD-ALTERING SUBSTANCES HAVE BEEN USED BY VARIOUS GROUPS THROUGHOUT THE AGES. THE NATIVE AMERICANS AND THEIR PEYOTE COMES TO MIND. AGAIN, THIS IS PART OF THE STORY. ICKE IS WORKING THROUGH THIS. WHY DO YOU CARE WHAT JESUS MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN IN ANY SPECIFIC WAY IF YOU HAVE CHRIST WITHIN?
: On the other hand he has also helped discredit genuine
: conspiracy researchers everywhere. By taking their ideas,
: passing them of as his own, and then adding his own truly
: ridiculous ideas, he has by association discredited some
: genuine research. A recent example appeared once again in
: 'The Biggest Secret' where he presented convincing evidence
: that ran counter to the official story about Princess
: Diana's death; but then, once again, he went and spoilt
: everything by claiming that the Royal Family are all
: reptilian alien hybrids who thrive on human flesh and
: blood. To any thoughtful person the idea is ridiculous and
: so, by association, casts doubt on the other ideas he
: presents, however valid.
I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THERE IS SOME TRUTH IN WHAT YOU SAY, BUT SO WHAT? WHY DO YOU CARE? IF HE HELPS JUST ONE PERSON ATTAIN ENLIGHTENMENT BECAUSE HE EXISTS, WHAT BUSINESS IS IT OF YOURS TO DESTROY HIM? NOBODY IS ALL ONE WAY: WE ARE ALL GOOD AND BAD. I WILL BET YOU HAVE THINGS IN YOUR LIFE THAT YOU ARE NOT PARTICULARLY PROUD OF. WE ALL DO. THAT IS LIFE. YOU DON'T KNOW AND HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE WHETHER DAVID ICKE HAS LEARNED FROM HIS EXPERIENCES OR NOT. THAT IS BETWEEN HIM AND HIS GOD. AND IF YOU ARE REALLY THE CHRISTIAN YOU PURPORT TO BE THEN YOU WOULD BE WISHING HIM WELL, HOPING THAT THE PEOPLE WHO NEED HIS EXPERIENCE FIIND IT AND GET ON WITH YOUR OWN. IF HE IS NOT IT, THEN STOP THINKING ABOUT IT. YOUR ENERGIES ARE FAR BETTER SPENT SUPPORTING SOMETHING GOOD IN YOUR LIFE THAN IN TEARING DOWN ANOTHER. WOULDN'T YOU AGREE?
: Unwittingly or not, this man is helping further the plans of
: the New World Order whilst ostensibly speaking out against
: them. And the motive force is his own inflated ego.
THIS IS A VERY SUBJECTIVE THING AS I DON'T SEE THIS AT ALL. INDEED, I SPENT SEVERAL HOURS ON HIS SITE RECENTLY AND WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH HOW HE HAD CHANGED HIS FOCUS AND ORGANIZED HIS APPROACH. HE IS BECOMING FAR MORE DANGEROUS TO THOSE WHO CALL THEMSELVES THE NWO. WHO KNOWS WHAT DAVID WILL ULTIMATELY END UP, BUT IT IS NOT OURS TO JUDGE NOR DECIDE. ISN'T THAT WHAT CHRIST TAUGHT US? THAT IS BETWEEN HIM AND HIS GOD. JUST AS YOUR LIFE IS BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR INNER ASSOCIATION WITH YOUR CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS. NOBODY GETS TO GET INBETWEEN THAT. NOBODY. NO-THING. NOT EVEN THE BIBLE OR DAVID ICKE. THAT IS YOUR PERSONAL CONNECTION. IT IS ALSO YOUR JOB TO RECOGNIZE IT IN YOUR LIFETIME.
OKAY, NOW WHY DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH THESE LINKS BELOW? BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE RIGHT? RIGHT? DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND, MY FRIEND, YOU ARE ALREADY RIGHT! YOU HAVE A HEART OF GOLD. I'VE READ YOUR POSTS; I'VE SEEN YOUR PASSION. BUT SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED TO YOU OF LATE AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. IF I WERE A BETTING MAN, I WOULD SAY YOU HAD STOPPED BELIEVING IN YOUR SELF. BUT WHO AM I TO SPECULATE? NO ONE. I CAN ONLY ULTIMATELY SPEAK TO MY OWN EXPERIENCE.
HERE IS GROUND ZERO: GET OVER THIS FIXATION WITH DAVID ICKE. THERE IS NO REAL GOOD AND BAD, ULTIMATELY...ONLY LESSONS THAT ALLOW US TO GROW. YOU ACT AS THOUGH ICKE IS SOME KIND OF DAM IN THE WAY OF YOUR FLOWING SPIRIT SO YOU ARE PUSHING UP AGAINST THE DAM YELLING, 'GET OUT OF MY WAY'. TIL A FRIENDLY SPRITE FLOWS UP BEHIND YOU, TAPS YOU ON THE SHOULDER AND POINTS IN THE OTHER DIRECTION: 'NO DAM THATA WAY. WHY DON'T YOU JUST TURN AROUND?'
ANYWAY, I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE HELPED OR NOT. BUT IT WAS NOT MY INTENT TO HURT YOU. WE ARE LIVING THROUGH SOME EXTRAORDINARY TIMES IN WHICH IT ALL COMES DOWN TO MIND. THAT IS THE THING THE FACTIONS ARE SO AFRAID WE WILL DISCOVER. DAVID ICKE IS JUST SOMEONE ELSE ALONG THE PATH ON HIS WAY TO GET WHERE YOU ARE GOING TOO. REMEMBER: THERE ARE A MILLION ROADS TO GET TO CHRIST, BUT ONCE YOU GET THERE, THE ROADS MERGE INTO NOTHINGNESS AND ARE INSIGNIFICANT. WHEN YOU ARE SITTING IN THE FULL REALIZATION OF YOUR OWN CHRIST BEING, WHY WOULD YOU CARE WHETHER THE ROAD THAT GOT YOU THERE WAS THROUGH ANY PARTICULAR RELIGION? DO YOU THINK CHRIST CARES HOW ANY OF US GET THERE? NO! ONLY THAT WE GET THERE. AND WHEN WE SPEND OUR TIME WORRYING ABOUT THE PATH OF ANOTHER, SUCH AS DAVID ICKE, WE ARE ONLY WASTING OUR OWN PRECIOUS SPIRITUAL ENERGY.
I APOLOGIZE IF THIS HAS SOUNDED PREACHY. THAT WAS NOT MY INTENT EITHER, BUT I AM LIMITED BY MY HUMBLE ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE THESE VERY EXTRAORDINARY IDEAS.
I HAVE WATCHED THE GOINGS ON ON THIS PAGE AND TRIED TO SEE WHAT THE REAL ISSUE WAS BEHIND THEM. I MUST TELL YOU THAT IT IS MY OPINION THAT SOME OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN ESPOUSING THEMSELVES HERE ARE NOT FORTHRIGHT ABOUT THEIR CONCERNS. I DO NOT HOWEVER, BELIEVE THAT OF YOU. I THINK YOU ARE STRUGGLING WITH SOMETHING MIGHTY IN YOUR HEART AND SOUL. AND I CONGRATULATE YOU! THAT IS THE FIRST SIGN THAT YOU ARE BREAKING FREE FROM THE OLD PROGRAMMING SO YOU CAN BEGIN TO LIVE IN NOW!
I LEAVE YOU WITH THIS EXTRAORDINARY IDEA THAT YOU'VE PROBABLY ALREADY READ SINCE IT HAS BEEN EVERYWHERE ON THE NET WAKING US UP: "We are not human being seeking a Spritual experience. Rather, we are Spiritual Beings Having a human experience!"