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Re: mind control, external influences

Posted By: vonMonke
Date: Tuesday, 17-Oct-2000 15:44:37
www.rumormill.news/4737

: This connects with me. One of my commandments is, "I am
: not open to external influences." And the corollary
: is, "I do not send or receive." I repeat both to
: myself often, because I have suspected harmful influences
: in my life. Now, I have no concern about microwaves or
: contrails controlling my mind, or any other such theory.

I think we all engage in some sort of more or less constant "self-talk." Writers from Napolean Hill to Watchman Nee emphasize the importance of our being in control of and aware of our own self-talk. Hill, in his flagship book the name of which this moment eludes me, goes so far as to assert that one ought to have a written plan to use as scripted direction for this internal ideation. Watchman Nee, in The Spiritual Man (a weighty tome of two volumes) discusses spiritual warfare at great length in terms of guarding one's mind.

: Since we each have the will of God in us,

I differ with you here, thinking that God gave us each a will and expects/encourages us to use it. I think also that God created us as individual selves and expects/encourages us keep growing into the self God intends to have created.

In attempting to resolve the tension that arises between God's will and my own, I find it helpful to remember Richard Wurmbrand's working definition of the occult/witchcraft as reducing to the statement: My Will Be Done.

I believe that we
: can break through "witchcraft" and "mind
: control".

You are right, witchcraft and mind-control can be broken. I think it has a lot to do with what we establish or have allowed others to establish as the organizing principles our perceived existence.

How do we know we're having experiences, how do we know we've had them? How do we cross reference and index what we know because we remember it and where do we "keep" our memories when we're not using them?

What is the narrative framework within which we're living and having experiences?

: I furthermore believe that I have the power to exercise God's
: will on earth. As one man, I can perform God's will,

What is God's will?

and be
: like a messiah, at any time.

Please expand on your statement above. Culturally, in the United States, messiah seems to mean one who makes right what has been made wrong. Literally, I think, it means one who has been annointed. In the Old Testament, kings and prophets were annointed by prophets recognized by their entire society. Items were also annointed in dedication to cultic service. Annointing seems, from the context of scripture, to have been a pouring of oil over a person or thing.

The Western/Christian model for the messiah concept is the Jesus of the canonical gospels - Matthew, Mark, Luke, John - with other allusions to him in other writings of the New Testament.

The only (I'm pretty sure about this) annointing Jesus received in the Gospel narratives happened the week of his death. A woman, possibly Mary (Martha's sister), broke open an alabaster vial of costly perfume, pouring over Jesus head. When the close disciples led by Judas rebuked the woman, Jesus said, "Let her alone, for she is annointing me for my burial." I'm writing this from memory so don't have chapter and verse for you.

Jesus also made statements about his presence in the world being like unto that of a servant among his followers. Peter was deeply offended by Jesus' attempt to wash his feet.

I guess what I'm asking you by way of all the above historical background is: Where are you coming from with your messiah statement?

: I have come to see my will as a shaper of reality.

Yeah, I think there's some truth in that if you are truly directing your own will.

I have come
: to consider the deconstruction of illegitimacies by my
: will.

What does that mean? In the past you've made statements in this forum about seeking ways to kill police officers without being subsequently apprehended. I think you said something about blowing up police cars.

Is all police authority illegitimate, or is it the federalization and militarization of local police forces throughout the United States that you think is illegitimate? What is it that nourishes the roots of the illegitimacies you perceive? Deprive the plant of sustenance at its roots and it will die.

: I see a possibility that this kind of thinking, this kind of
: fearlessness, could cause the world to come to
: superficially resemble the "peace utopia" that
: the one-worlders either believe in, or cynically pretend to
: believe in.

I agree with you that fearlessness is essential bringing about lasting change and causing that change to manifest in perceivable ways in the world outside ourselves. Even if that means starting with fearlessly looking at one's self and both coming to grips with and dirtying one's hands with whatever it is internally that impedes one's ability to develop into the human being God intended when God created. That's been my experience, for what it's worth.

The difference is that I believe something that
: is real, while they believe something that is not and never
: can be real: the possibility of good arising from forced
: collectivism. I believe in God, strength, and independence,
: while they believe in "peace gas" and mutual
: slavery agreements.

Richard Wurmbrand, in one of his books about his imprisonment and torture in communist Romania, averred that one of the guards who'd been beating him made the collectivist statement, "We are the devil."

Actuality, truth, will always have an effect in the world.

: Even if the people think that they choose surrender of
: sovereignty willingly, the "choice" has no
: validity. This is not because the circumstances surrounding
: the "choice" have been manipulated, which they
: always are. It is simply because surrender of sovereignty
: is an offense against God.

I think surrender of sovereignty is wrong, too.

: Free trade is an offense.

How do you feel about free trade between American companies within the borders of the U.S.?

The European countries joining the
: EU is an offense. The United States shipping its industries
: out of the country is an offense. Membership in the
: world-socialist United Nations is an offense.

Bingo, Bango, Bongo.

: We can not form a union with the Chinese or even the Europeans
: at this time, nor the Canadians nor the Mexicans, because
: they are all too different from us. They offend us.
: Therefore they offend God,

Is God an American citizen? Or a citizen of any of the nations of the world?

It's a pretty good bet that Americans of whatever race or ethnicity offend Canadians, Mexicans, and Chinese people. Do they then offend God?

and for us to merge with them
: offends God.

Well, I think you may be right in this last statement. Europe, the English speaking nations still politically tied to the United Kingdom, Mexico, China are all very different from the United States. This is especially true regarding political and constitutional traditions.

I don't think the people of any of these several nations has any desire to merge their countries with any others. I think generally that the people of any country would like for their own tradition/nation/people to dominate any alliance or trading group of which it's a member.

vM



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