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Subject: KATHLEEN SULLIVAN -- MORE ON MARK PHILLIPS

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From: eleanor@r... raven1@n...
To: eleanor@r...
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 12:10 PM
Subject: (Fwd) Mark Phillips - please post.

> INTRODUCTORY NOTE FROM ELEANOR:
>
> This is for the benefit of the many new

> correspondents from among the electronic
> mind weapons community and who may not
> fully understand that there is a second,
> large group of government experimentees,
> colloquially called "MKULTRA survivors",
> who were in the institutional/drug/child abuse/
> ritual abuse experiments which ran from the
> 50's thru the 70's.
>
> Katherine Sullivan has asked me to post this,
> and I'd like to let new correspondents know
> that her posting gives us a glimpse of the
> "flip side" of what we are going through.
>
> These folks have had their imprisonment and
> direct abuse phases ended, but what Katherine is
> talking about is that the MKULTRA organization
> still has perps in the field, who keenly want these
> survivors to be discredited. They "know too much".
>
> MKULTRA survivors' minds were filled with
> hypnotic "triggers" (programming) and the perps
> Katherine speaks about are taking advantage of
> their weakened mental state (NOT mental illness,
> rather, years of hypnotic programming and torture)
> to keep what they know suppressed.
>
> To read up on what their experiences have been like,
> you can visit the Advocacy Committee for Human
> Experimentation Survivors - Mind Control (ACHES-MC)
> at:
>
> http://www.aches-mc.org
>
> Katherine's own site is listed below, however, her
> site is not intended to provide MKULTRA history,
> but rather, to assist MKULTRA survivors to shake
> off their years of hypnosis and torment and get
> their lives together. Katherine has generously
> provided an "EM section" in her memorial garden
> in remembrance of our torment.
>
> In effect, we electronic mind weapons victims have an
> "MKULTRA heritage", and the experiences of these
> survivors are POWERFUL assists to convincing the
> public that there really ARE perps this nasty in every
> government.
>
> Eleanor (Katherine's glimpse into MKULTRA
> survivorhood follows)
>
> ------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 14:47:59 -0400
> From: Katherine Sullivan katydid@m...
> Reply-to: katydid@m...
> Subject: Mark Phillips - please post.
>
> Katherine aka Kathleen Sullivan
> President of PARC-VRAMC
> http://parc-vramc.tierranet.com
>
> I am the woman Brice Taylor mentioned as also having been lied to and
> more by Mark Phillips.
>
> She asked me about four years ago to support her in physically
> confronting Mark at a conference where he and David Icke and Cathy were
> all presenting together, in Atlanta. I called Icke's people a week
> before that conference to let him know what Mark had done to me and
> Brice, letting Icke know that Mark was a fraud and was very dangerous.
> I followed the phone call up with a priority mail package, that included
> sufficient information to show that Mark was dangerous to survivors.
> Icke never acknowledged my information.
>
> The night before the conference started, Brice dropped out of the
> picture after informing me that "Jesus" told her that it was not her
> time to confront Mark, which left me alone to do so. (Being a
> Christian, I was a bit confused about that. If "Jesus" told her to go
> and to ask me to support her in confronting Mark, then why in the world
> would "Jesus" change his mind and tell her NOT to go? Claiming getting
> orders from Jesus and the Holy Spirit can sure help a person avoid
> taking responsibility for his/her own behavior and decisions...)
>
> The second day of the conference, I tried to talk to David alone in a
> hallway. He looked quite sheepish, clearly recognizing who I was ( it
> bugged me...he looked SO darned familiar from somewhere in my covert
> past), ducked his head and walked quickly the other way. He was clearly
> quite chummy with Mark and Cathy during the entire conference, and I
> blanched and became physically ill at one point when Cathy played gently
> with David's hair, and he looked up at her face, beaming like a lover.
> Not a good sign.
>
> So now I am quite amused that Icke, who blatantly reinforces "lizard
> men" screen memories in high-level MC survivors' minds to discredit them
> to the public and in court, is suddenly helping to expose Mark. I've
> seen this behavior before. In this instance, former business partners
> (Gunderson, Icke, Phillips and Bowart/Kirby) suddenly turn on one of
> their own, AFTER it is obvious that their partner's are not going to
> behave and be quiet about his activities. The others had years of
> warning from the victims, to step out and denounce him.
>
> The way I see it, Mark became too much of a liability to them. This
> behavior on the part of Mark's friends/partners is not dissimilar to
> when children go to the police and media about a group of criminal
> cultists who have been ritually traumatizing and raping them for years.
> The cultists throw out one of their people for the police and legal
> system to make an open fuss over and slap in prison, and the others
> continue doing their dirty work just like before, never being legally
> named.
>
> In the MC survivor community, I've seen this tactic taken one step
> further. "Good guy bad guy" routine. By helping to publicly out their
> partner, after having been tight with him for many years, it makes other
> perps look like they are heros. Then the the outed perp's victims (eg:
> Brice) go running to THEM for protection and information. And the
> survivor's external control and victimization continues...
>
> The other thing I've noticed is how many perps are popping up in the
> survivor community, mostly but not all males, as investigators and
> heros. As spokespersons. They do the talk circuits and books,
> controlling and endorsing usually one survivor like a trained seal (eg:
> Phillips/O'Brien), who in turn endorses them.
>
> I've been approached by at least three of these guys, who tried do to do
> that "you and me babe, we can make a fortune" routine, but it did not
> appeal to me after I was what happened to Cathy (and, I believe, is also
> still being done to Brice.) I don't know if it's because so many of us
> were abused by fathers and are still looking for an older male to care
> and protect us, or if it's because we're just damned lazy (as I tended
> to be with Mark) and choose to depend on another of a succession of
> controllers in our lives. But the pattern I've seen repeatedly is that
> these people are usually RECYCLED PROGRAMMERS.
>
> They come back into our lives, daring to hope that we will not
> remember them. And of course, if they are back in our lives, we will
> not feel safe enough to be able to consciously remember them!
>
> Then they get back into our heads very quickly and easily, drain us dry
> of all our memories and proofs and money, and then use us, as Mark did
> Cathy, as lures to draw in OTHER MC survivors that they can drain and
> control, likewise.
>
> I used to get so enraged when I saw yet another survivor fall prey to
> one of these scum, but I've gotten to the point where I've realized this
> is part of healing and recovery -- going into relapse and learning from
> it once one gets free again. After being controlled all of one's life,
> it is extremely difficult to stand on one's own two feet and do one's
> own cognitive thinking. They know that and are quick to take advantage
> of it.
>
> This is why survivors in the know keep telling other survivors how
> absolutely crucial it is for them to be their OWN heroes, their OWN
> investigators. To depend on anyone else to tell us what to do or think
> or believe is to open ourselves to another controller and more misery
> and danger.
>
> I have already posted on the Internet about my experiences with Mark and
> Cathy. I have written several investigators and numerous survivors
> about them. Mark knows where I stand about him; Cathy probably
> remembers very little, other than what Mark wants her to think. If
> anyone wants further info about my experience with Mark, give me a snail
> mail address and I'll send a package to you. This man is dangerous and
> must be avoided by MC survivors at all cost.
>
> Katherine aka Kathleen Sullivan
> President of PARC-VRAMC
> http://parc-vramc.tierranet.com