Subject: Re: Soros' "Open Society" - Discussion Forum Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:42:27 +0000 From: Steve Reed To: prh@pw.usda.gov
In message , Henika writes
:Steve - the discussions at Soros' "Open Society" - General Discussion
:Site. I was asked to return by Lev - see email below. - Philip
:
:Soros Foundations Network Discussion Forum
:Open Society Institute
:http://soros.org/osi.html
:General Discussion
:sysop - 11:49am Oct 26, 1999
:
:(1) ***Philip Henika - 03:26pm Nov 3, 1999 (#2 of 16)
:
:'In reference to the implication that the Bilderberg's precedent
:includes global anarchy, I quote from a recent article ("THE NEW GLOBAL
:ORDER; The next Bilderberg meeting; Secret roster, agenda for
:Washington conference; © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com): "According to
:sources which penetrated the high-security meetings in the past, the
:Bilderberg meetings emphasize a globalist agenda and promote the idea
:that the notion of national sovereignty is antiquated and regressive."
:Mr Soros - you have been invited to a secret Bilderberg Meeting in
:November, 1999, in Washington. (i.b.i.d.). The attendence by you at this
:gathering indicates to me, an American Citizen, that you condone and
:abide by the Bilderberg codes of secrecy. I consider this act as
:participation in the formation of global government which uses anarchy
:as it basis. As a global citizen, I oppose Bilderberg secrecy and wish
:for the Bilderberg Club to come forth with their agenda and infuse it
:into an "Open Society" as you profess to be an advocate of an open
:society at this web site - http://soros.org/osi.html. Until the secrecy
:of Bilderberg Society is abolished, I will report on the activities of
:as many Bilderberg as I possibly can.'
:
:Philip Henika
:
:(2) ***Philip Henika - 03:33pm Nov 3, 1999 (#3 of 16)
:
:Evil, as a precedent of directed Millennium Prophecies; as a promissory
:force; is used by secret Groups (i.e. the Bilderberg Club) for the sole
:purpose of severing institutions from the People.
In the UK there has been a concerted campaign to discredit the National Health Service [NHS] (high profile exposes of surgical errors, lengthening waiting-lists, unethical medical practice, etc) extending far beyond what would be expected in the way of constructive criticism. This has contributed considerably to the unpopularity of the NWO- "Labour" government - as have several other scandals, all of which this government has walked into, regardless of the inevitable effect on its re-electability.
Blair's government appears, indeed, to be a kamikaze squad, quite prepared to destroy itself in order to introduce unpopular measures (limitation of right to jury-trial, abolition of restraints on promoting homosexuality in education, destructuring of the Upper House, without a coherent plan for restructuring it, penalties for non-compliance with decimalisation of weights and measures, a raft of actions designed to drive farmers out of business, surrender of more powers to Brussels and slavish acquiescence in any campaign of mass-murder - in Iraq, for example, or the Balkans - which the NWO "Democrats" of the USA seem to think desirable)
No doubt it expects to stand down in a couple of years to make way for an NWO "Conservative" government, which (while not promoting integration with the EU) will continue to surrender sovereignty to supranational institutions, such as NAFTA, in the name of "free trade", and will probably attempt to privatise the "discredited" NHS, as a way of "reforming" it.
> The trickle-down
:effect and the devaluation of regional currencies on a global scale
:(i.e. the Russian ruble) is due to plans and use of updated software and
:hardware (i.e. a Promis@ database as one possibility) (which enables US-agencies to spy on confidential files)
: which involve the
:transnational recycling of money between government officials; banks
:(i.e. the Russian banking scandal in terms of money laundering); lending
:institutions (i.e. the role of the International Money Fund in
:rescheduling inflated debts), organized crime (i.e the Russian mafiya) (it is said that many of the principal players in the theft of Russian funds by the "Russian Mafia" are, in fact, holders of Israeli passports)
:,
:global terrorist
:networks (i.e. Osama bin Laden's "Al Qaeda" terrorist network) (I surmise that AlQaida was funded by the CIA until comparitively recently - until well into the Kosovo-campaign, in fact)
: and the
:media. The latter insures a silence on the progess of secret Groups
:(i.e. the media's irresponsibility in not covering the Bilderberg
:Group). The media makes secret Groups seem untouchable. (Nearly all the major media-moguls are represented at Bilderberg meetings - Conrad Black [Chmn. Telegraph Group], for example, is on the Steering Committee, and the Washington Post usually sends two delegates from its editorial staff - Bilderberg meetings are, of course, never mentioned in the Washington Post)
: Governments
:throughout the world have been engaged in mind control for the last 50
:years No doubt, but the methods researched and their success are a matter of speculation. I would beware, especially of linking Biblical references to this speculation:
:(i.e as a hypothetical Revelation's: "I am the alpha and the
:omega" - "alphas" are cued for general programming; "omegas" are cued as
:suicidal bombers).
Or tying it to particular incidents without strong evidence:
:Mind control is the ultimate in conspiracies as it
:justifies violence as more than an instinct which can be controlled
:(i.e. Columbine High School; Littleton, CO.) because this tends to discredit such speculation, leading casual observers to dismiss the whole idea, which would be MOST unfortunate. And it is not always true, mind-control or no mind-control, that
: - violence can be overcome;
:People can get along. Which is why speculation is so unreliable.
> Mind control categorizes violence as a special
:interest which blocks the government and the people from fomenting a
:lasting peace - a peace based on open forum and mediation. Violence
:debilitates viable and honest candidates for Public Offices (i.e the
:Rabin assassination).
You describe exactly the effects of the classical "Strategy of Tension" which the CIA is known to have perpetrated in Europe ever since WWII.
> Thus, the military ~ government complex becomes
:seperated from the People in its reputed role as a service of the
:People. Governments become Evil and they recycle Evil within themselves
:leaving the People to ponder who controls their lives. Is it the
:Institutions that control our lives or do we?
:
By discrediting themselves, of course, NWO national governments prepare the ground for the abolition of national governments. It is a tricky process, dependent on one NWO government being able to pass power to another NWO government once it has made itself sufficiently unpopular. The great danger is that some populist, anti-NWO party will seize power during one of these transitions - as the FPOe has done in Austria; but, in large nations, the media have succeeded, so far, in preventing this.
>(3) ***Philip Henika - 03:43pm Nov 3, 1999 (#4 of 16)
:
:[Bilderberg - my comment] Peter Mandelson alledgedly attended the
:SECRET Bilderberg Meeting held in Portugal in 1999. (Mandelson's name appears on a reliable list, published in "The Economist")
: [Bilderberg - my
:comment] George Mitchell is invited to the SECRET Bilderberg "steering
:committee meeting in Washington [November 3-4, 1999] as is [Bilderberg
:- my comment] Lawrence Summers and [Bilderberg - my comment]
:Thomas Pickering. Based on the information above, it is my guess that
:the progress of peace negotiations in Northern Ireland and that the
:ascension of China into the World Trade Organization will be SECRET
:agenda items for the SECRET Bilderberg meeting in Washington next month.
Undoubtedly, I would say.
>There will be no mainstream media coverage that the meeting has taken
:place nor will there be any link mentioned to the SECRET Bilderberg
:Society. There will be no press conference with inquiry or discussion as
:to any ideas these men have with regard to the global issues mentioned
:above. There will be no job performance ratings or evaluation for these
:individuals; no perception given to the public as to the scope and
:sincerity of their efforts. Mr Soros - are these the acts of an "Open
:Society?" --- Philip Henika
:
:(5)***Philip Henika - 11:35am Nov 9, 1999 (#5 of 16)
:
:[Bilderberg - my comment] Bill Richardson (US Secretary of Energy) has
:alledgedly attended the secret Bilderberg steering committee meeting in
:Washington D.C. [November 3-4, 1999] and the secret Bilderberg
:meeting in Portugal [June 3-6, 1999]. In a speech delivered to the
:Bilderberg on November 3, 1999; with [Bilderberg - my comment] Bill
:Richardson alledgedly in attendance; Samuel Berger was quoted as saying:
:"First, we should agree that America must have the strongest, best
:trained, best equipped military in the world, to deter potential
:adversaries and if need be defeat them." (The White House; Samuel R.
:Berger; National Security Advisor; Remarks to the Bilderberg Steering
:Committee; November 4, 1999; "Strengthening the Bipartisan Center: An
:Internationalist Agenda for America"). In comments regarding Russia,
:Berger adds: "The question we face about Russia is no longer whether we
:will be threatened by its strength, but whether it will become too weak.
:Will it become unable to maintain stability and achieve prosperity at
:home, or to control the flow of people, weapons and technology across
:its borders?". However, in the article below, Russia is observed as:
:"Last week [October 31 - November 7, 1999] saw a remarkable display of
:nuclear saber rattling by the Russians. Triggered by U.S. insistence on
:deploying an Anti-Ballistic Missile system despite a 1972 treaty and by
:Congress' rejection of a nuclear test ban treaty, the Russians put on a
:display of symbolic nuclear muscle-flexing unlike anything seen in 10
:years". [Bilderberg - my comment] Bill Richardson was said to have
:reacted to a specific indicent last week: "The Kremlin ordered U.S.
:Ambassador James Collins, who was supposed to visit a secured Russian
:military site known as Kraznoyarsk-26 for the inauguration of a U.S.
:financed business center, not to bring his top science advisor. It also
:told him he could not inspect any other U.S.-Russian projects at the
:site. The ambassador cancelled the meeting. Later
:
:(6)***Philip Henika - 11:37am Nov 9, 1999 (#6 of 16)
:
:continued: Later, Energy Secretary, [Bilderberg - my comment], Bill
:Richardson, at a meeting in Denver attended by Russian Atomic Energy
:Minister Yevgeny Adamov, protested Russian restrictions in such strong
:terms that Adamov walked out of the room.". The American Citizen does
:not have access to discussions held at secret Bilderberg meetings. There
:is no mainstream media coverage that the meeting has taken place nor
:will there be any link; on issues mentioned; to the Bilderberg Society.
:There is no press conference with inquiry or discussion as to any ideas
:these men and women (mostly men) have with regard to the global issues
:mentioned above. There is no job performance ratings or evaluation for
:these individuals; no perception given to the public as to the scope and
:sincerity of their efforts as Bilderberg Society members. Throughout his
:speech Berger alluded to a "dominant minority" who are apparently
:responsible for resistance to the Bilderberg agenda. Berger seems to
:feel that this "dominant minority" (curious phrase) (particularly applicable to Bilderberg/CFR/Trilat etc and their minions throughout the globe, in fact)
: is bent on disabling
:the Bilderberg. This "dominant minority" is apparently responsible for
:weakening US foreign policy by, for example, voting down the
:Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty or requesting decreased funding for the
:Wye Accords. This "dominant minority" apparently offers nothing in the
:way of solutions. However, how can anyone offer solutions if We, the
:People, do not know what was discussed? Secrecy leaves the American
:Citizen to guess. I disagree. We know, in general, what they're up to, and we have an alternative agenda - one which would substitute equable international relations for supranational coercion and aggravating internal dissension, fair trade for free trade and democratic nations for a fascist world-government. This does not sound new, but it would be. It is the NWO's neo-colonialist, empire-building which is a tired, old concept.
> Why
:was [Bilderberg - my comment], Bill Richardson so upset with Russian
:Atomic Energy Minister Yevgeny Adamov that the latter felt compelled to
:leave the room? Was this incident discussed at the secret Bilderberg
:steering committee meeting in Washington D.C. [November 3-4, 1999]? How
:does this incident effect foreign policy with Russia? Once again, I
:oppose the secrecy of the Bilderberg Society. I believe that any
:discussions they have must be contributory in light of the many security
:risks that come co
:
:(7)***Philip Henika - 11:39am Nov 9, 1999 (#7 of 16)
:
:continued:
:
:I believe that any discussions they have must be contributory in light
:of the many security risks that come concommitant with our passage
:through the Millennium which my own research has shown to be time of
:increased risk.
If it feels significant, then it is significant - the NWO recognised this by attempting to confuse the issue of the Millennium date with premature celebrations.
> I also feel that not enough has been done, particularly
:by the Bilderberg Society, in the area of efforts toward a lasting peace
:- a lasting peace based on full-time diplomacy; mediation;
:non-partisanship and open forum. The Bilderberg Society serves only
:itself.
: Yes.
>Philip Henika
:
:(8)***Philip Henika - 11:56am Nov 15, 1999 (#8 of 16)
:
:A relevant quote from the article below (1) with regard to Michel
:Camdessus; as he is retiring as head of the International Money Fund
:(IMF) includes: "He [Michel Camdessus] said the move has nothing to do
:with charges that Russia siphoned off billions of dollars of IMF aid,
:"allegations that are totally unsubstantiated."
The President of Israel's national bank also resigned early - at the end of last year - for undisclosed reasons.
> (1) Another denial has
:Samuel Berger addressing the Bilderberg Society with: "I have argued
:that these Congressional actions do not result from simple differences
:over policy, or from partisanship. They reflect the coherent philosophy
:of a dominant minority -- which sees international spending (empire building)
: as
:inherently disconnected to America's interests, views most multilateral
:enterprises (suborning the governments of other nations)
: with suspicion and considers most difficult international
:endeavors -- from supporting democracy in Russia (penetrating Russia's political-class in an attempt to make it US- and NWO-compliant)
: to peace in the Balkans (destruction of our enemies in the Balkans)
:to growth in poor countries (exploitation of the third world by western big-business)
: -- as likely to fail (inherently evil and misguided and, indeed, likely to result in cataclysmic disaster before very long)
: and therefore not worth
:trying." (Quite!)
: (THE WHITE HOUSE; Office of the Press Secretary; Hartford,
:Connecticut; November 4, 1999; SAMUEL R. BERGER; NATIONAL SECURITY
:ADVISOR; REMARKS TO THE BILDERBERG STEERING COMMITTEE; Strengthening the
:Bipartisan Center: An Internationalist Agenda for America). As a member
:of "dominant minority", I suppose, I have found three examples (a-c) of
:"allegations that are totally unsubstantiated" if I may be permitted to
:quote Camdessus again. Further, my comments and excerpts below are not
:intended as a desire for the IMF "to fail" nor do I feel that the IMF is
:"not worth trying". (But the IMF needs to be wrenched away from the control of Bilderbergers and their ilk - note that IMF and World Bank officials are pillars of Bilderberg)
> I am opposed, however, to the secrecy of the
:Bilderberg Society - its lack of accountability with regard to the
:allegations listed below; its lack of desire to discuss and resolve
:these
:allegations openly: 'There were TWO seperate money laundering
:operations coming out Russia. One was reported by the New York Times
:possibility linked to the IMF and the other was definately linked to the
:IMF via Stanley Fisher. I reported the second as a Bilderberg link. The
:cumulative amounts laundered from both
:
:(9)***Philip Henika - 11:59am Nov 15, 1999 (#9 of 16)
:
:operations may reach $15 billion instead of $10 billion. Thus, media
:neglect in reporting Bilderberg policies may lead to an underestimation
:of the amount of money laundered': (a) "The West was about to find out
:just how much money had been stolen by (western collaborators among the...)
: Russian oligarchs under the
:reform regime. The revelation in the New York Times of the Bank of New
:York's role in money laundering in Russia was just the tip of the
:iceberg. The vast amounts of diverted money were now going to come to
:light. With that revelation, any hope of further investment, loans or
:aid to Russia had gone out the window. Paradoxically, the same people
:that the West liked to deal with, the reformers, were precisely the ones
:who would be shown to have
:been most deeply involved in the theft of the century. The justification
:for their presence - that men like Chernomyrdin were known and trusted
:by the West - was about to be turned on its head. The reformers were the
:last ones to be trusted by anyone." Quite!
: STRATFOR.COM; Global Intelligence
:Update; Weekly GIU August 23, 1999; Putin: Yeltsin's Madness or Silent
:Coup?. Note: "A few years ago she [Natasha Gurfinkel Kagalovsky - one of
:two suspects suspects in the money laundering operation] married
:Konstantin Kagalovsky, who has been an economic adviser to the Russian
:Government and from 1992 to 1995 was Russia's representative to the
:International Monetary Fund." August 19, 1999; Activity at Bank Raises
:Suspicions of Russian Mob Tie; By RAYMOND BONNER with TIMOTHY L.
:O'BRIEN; N.Y. Times." (b) from my article: (
:http://x23.deja.com/=yahoo/getdoc.xp?AN=506981898&CONTEXT=935410647.1216217150&h
:itnum=62 ) "Relevant quotes in the article (a) below: "In an unusual
:development, money from the loan will never actually reach Russia, but
:will be paid directly to an account at the IMF and be used to service
:Russian debt, IMF officials said when they discussed the credit earlier
:this year." and ..."IMF cash would probably have been delayed in 1996,
:the year when Presi
:
:(10)***Philip Henika - 12:00pm Nov 15, 1999 (#10 of 16)
:
:President Boris Yeltsin won re-election, if the IMF had known more about
:the activities of central bank offshoot Fimaco, based in Britain's tax
:haven of the Channel Islands. ``Directors expressed strong disapproval
:of the finding that the channeling by the central bank of domestic
:transactions through Fimaco ... meant that the balance sheet of the
:central bank had given a misleading impression of the true state of
:reserves,'' [Bilderberg] [Stanley] Fischer said, using
:uncharacteristically strong language for the IMF." (c) "For the time
:being, the alleged bribe is less important than the fact that Yeltsin
:has been unambiguously linked to the scandal. Already
:most of the group of close Yeltsin advisors, senior administration
:members and supporters collectively known as the "Family" are under
:investigation for alleged involvement in one or more of the major
:scandals now facing the Kremlin [
:http://www.stratfor.com/SERVICES/GIU/090299.ASP ]. These include
:allegedly laundering billions of dollars - some possibly from IMF loans
:- through New York banks, using IMF funds for international currency
:market speculations, skimming profits from the state airline Aeroflot,
:and accepting bribes from Mabetex." Two possible successors to Camdessus
:are members of the Bilderberg Society - [Bilderberg - my comment -
:http://www.tlio.demon.co.uk/1998.htm ] Andrew Crockett [Britain, head
:of the Bank of International Settlements in Switzerland] and the current
:head of the Bank of France, [Bilderberg - my comment -
:http://www.the-news.net/bildeberg/index.htm and
:http://www.tlio.demon.co.uk/cocktail.htm#List ] Jean-Claude Trichet. So,
:unless these allegations are resolved and the secret agenda of the
:Bilderberg Club revealed, I will oppose the selection of a Bilderberg
:Society member as a successor to IMF's Michel Camdessus.
: A successor - a German banker - has now been selected. His name slips my mind for the moment...
>(11)***dominicus - 12:19pm Feb 4, 2000 (#12 of 16)
Meanwhile the war which the NWO started, north of the Caucasus, using American money, funnelled through Saudi Arabia, and an army trained by the CIA's surrogates (mainly in Pakistan) continues to cause predictable distress:
:
:
:"Hello symbionts,
:
:I would like to start a new discussion topic in order to actually create
:an open society.
:
:My first question to you all is:
:
:What is the ultimate reality?
:
:have a wonderful and amazing day!"
:
:(12)***Bill Skinner - 03:04pm Feb 6, 2000 (#13 of 16)
:
:I am asking for your help.
:
:The situation in Chechnya is desperate. 200,000 people are in refugee
:camps in Ingushetia, and tens of thousands more are trapped in Grozny
:and villages throughout Chechnya.
:
:· Refugees in Ingushetia often receive less than one meal a day. Often
:pregnant women and small children receive only a can of condensed milk
:or soup per day.
:
:· Because of malnutrition, stress, exposure, and lack of sanitary
:conditions, every second newborn in Chechnya doesn't live beyond the
:first month, and there are practically no pediatric or maternity
:facilities because they have been destroyed in this war or the previous
:1994-96 war.
:
:· There is an epidemic of new resistant strains of tuberculosis, and
:practically no facilities or drugs to treat the disease.
: The same cynical policy was used to create conflicts in Bosnia and Kosovo, and now we are told that
:Unfortunately, much of the relief that is sent to Chechnya is stolen or
:misused because it is controlled by Russians. Remembering that the object of the war in Chechnya is to exclude the Russians from the oil-rich Caucasus, one wonders on whose behalf this appeal is really being made....
: There is a group, however,
:who have been successful in getting relief to Chechnya without going
:through Russian institutions.
:A group with connections to the insurgents, presumably, and, therefore, to the NWO...
:NISWA was established in December of 1990 as a non-profit charitable
:organization to address the social welfare needs of the Muslim
:community. In addition, they provide aid internationally to people in
:countries facing war and natural disasters. Currently, they are focusing
:much of their energies in offering relief to the Chechen people. They
:have tried sending clothes and medicines, but the shipping is very
:expensive and slow, and it is far more efficient and effective to send
:money through aid channels that bypass the usual institutionalized
:Russian ones.
: Money which can be used to buy arms, pay mercenaries and fund covert operations. We only have "NISWA's" word that aid-relief is being "stolen by the Russians". I rather imagine that the Russians have enough sense to use all available resources to win the hearts and minds of non-combatants, whose number includes most indigenous Chechnyans, after all.
>If you are interested in sending a donation, please contact Dr. Shamim
:Ibrahim at NISWA (310-530-0725) or send your donation to:
In all likelihood, sending funds to the insurgents, in this way, can only prolong a terrible war which should never have begun, and would never have begun, if funds had not been pumped into the region, in this way, in the first place. This is another Bosnia or Kosovo, which need never have happened, but which was created to further the aims of the NWO. Sending aid via Russia would be a much better idea - for all concerned. -- Steve Reed
