Dear Friends
In her post in this thread below: A WORK IN PROGRESS!
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=91611
LadyHawke stated this: "Many of us support the sovereignty of nation states. This includes America ... which is a Republic. This includes America's Constitution and its Bill of Rights. Each nation should have the right of sovereignty it seems. It should be their God Given Inalienable Right!"
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Well, yes in theory, on the face of it, this sounds very reasonable. Only as we pointed out in our "Krishnamurti at the U.N." special session, it seems the problem is precisely that mankind is in trouble because it has always identified with some "symbol" or "nAtion", nOtion", or "ideology", "religion" ... "faith" ... or whatever... and this has led mankind to the point we are at now. Lebanon 2006: A completely innocent "nation" gets smashed up like a motor-cycle between two trucks.
Let me just quote highlight the central passage of the Krishnamurti speech to the "politicians" of the "nations" once more:
"One wonders, if one is at all serious, why man kills another human being - in the name of god, in the name of peace, in the name of some ideology, or for his country - whatever that may mean - or for the king and the queen, and all the rest of that business.
Probably we all know this: that man has never lived on this earth, which is being slowly destroyed, and why man cannot live at peace with another human being.
Why there are separate nations, which is after all a GLORIFIED TRIBALISM. And religions, whether it be Christianity, Hinduism, or Buddhism, they are also at war with each other.
Nations are at war, groups are at war, ideologies, whether it is the Russian, or the American, or any other category of ideologies, they are all at war with each other, conflict.
So it behoves us to ask ourselves whether we, as human beings, single or a community, or in a family, whether we can live peacefully with each other? Organizations have not solved this problem.
You can reorganize but war still goes on.
So organizations, whether it is world organization or a particular kind of organization to bring about peace, such organizations will never succeed because human beings individually, collectively, nationally, are in conflict.
Strong nations, like America or Russia, are at war with each other - economically, ideologically, and actually - not bloodshed yet.
So peace cannot possibly exist on this earth if there are nationalities, which, as we said, is GLORIFIED TRIBALISM.
Nationalities give certain security, man needs security and he invests in nationalism, or in a particular ideology or belief.
Beliefs, ideologies and so on, have separated man.
And organizations cannot possibly bring about peace between man and man because he believes in something, he believes in certain ideologies, he believes in god and others don't.
I wonder if one has ever considered, religions based on a book - like the Koran or the Bible - become very bigoted, narrow and fundamentalist.
And religions like the Hindu and the Buddhist, they have many, many books, all considered sacred, real, straight from god's mouth! They are not so bigoted, they are tolerant, they absorb.
So there is this conflict going on: those who rely, put their faith in books, and those who do not put their faith in any book. So conflict between the book and those who accept multiple books. I wonder if one is aware of all this."
- J. Krishnamurti
. in New York, United Nations - 11th April 1985
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Yes, as my Sufi friends say... the pêoples of the book... big head ache to this planet Earth.
So, if there is a work in progress, or a progress at work, then it has to be -- so it seems to this author -- via the realization of what Krishnamurti told these diplomats at the U.N. over twenty years ago.
If there is an "awakening" to take place about what is peace or what peace is about, it would begin at that level of consciousness, and inside of each human being.
My job here, if I have one, is to take this conversation now to the next level, and each one of us willing to change completely has to do his her own inner seeing in great stillness during this opportune "888" moment coming up now.
Peace -
St.Clair
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(below his picture as he walks away in peace,
is the linked talk plus Q & A special session:)
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