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SOME KIND OF LOGICAL FALLACY IN THERE, SOMEWHERE....

Posted By: hobie
Date: Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 18:45:27

In Response To: THE ORIGINAL NINE STATES WERE... (FarSight3)

: The Federal government did not recognize the legality of
: secession and refused to remove stars from the US Flag .
: However, after the cessation of hostilities in 1865, and
: for a period of time extending to 1870, the United States
: Government recognized the defacto secession of these eleven
: states by readmitting them to the Federal Union.

(Hi, FarSight. :) I've listened to intelligent discussions about whether secession was something allowable under the terms of the Constitution. The argument that, "No, it's not allowable," makes sense to me - and yet, there's a logical fallacy present in an idea that it is not.

The country is describable as "a confederation of sovereign States", including provision for a federal government (a service agency intended to operate on behalf of the States).

The idea that the federal government "did not recognize the legality" of secession shouldn't mean diddly-squat, it seems to me. :) It seems an utter irrelevancy, comparable to the infamous "Strawberry Statement" that set off riots at Columbia University in the 1960's. Some college official made a public statement, something like this: "For the students to tell me how they'd like the college to be run is like their telling me that they like strawberries." He was making a valid point in some ways, but not a very wise one. :) And the kids on campus proceeded to demonstrate for his enlightenment just how much their opinions _did_ matter, at least to them.

Who's in charge? That seems to be the underlying and core question. In America, is the feral gummint in charge, or are the States in charge? Are the States in charge, or is it "We the People" who are sovereign in all this? If the people of a particular State clearly are in favor of secession, then who, exactly, is the feral gummint to "recognize" it or not?

--hobie

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NEW FLAG? WHY *9*STRIPED FLAG BEHIND BUSH LAST NIGHT?!! *PIC*
Esclarmonde -- Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 14:26:21
BACK TO CONSTITUTIONAL GOVT.?????
FarSight3 -- Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 14:39:24
NEVER BELIEVE FOR ONE SECOND THAT THEY ARE BENEVOLENT!
tenavision -- Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 15:58:38
I REMAIN SCEPTIC - ESPECIALLY IN CONSTITUTIONAL MATTERS
FarSight3 -- Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 17:30:08
9 BEAT 11(ANNUNAKI); NOW 9 BEATS 13!!!? SPIRIT ITSELF!
Esclarmonde -- Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 17:04:03
THE ORIGINAL NINE STATES WERE...
FarSight3 -- Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 17:54:51
SOME KIND OF LOGICAL FALLACY IN THERE, SOMEWHERE....
hobie -- Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 18:45:27
SUPREMES: STATE CAN TELL FEDS TO 'GET OUT'!
Esclarmonde -- Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 22:09:01
Reader: "...THE VERY NEXUS OF THE FLINT AND TINDER..."
hobie -- Thursday, 30-Jun-2005 02:46:03
S OPS RESPONDS WITH INTEREST
monk -- Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 18:06:24
THE STRIPES ARE VERTICAL!! LIKE THE US CIVIL FLAG!! A RETURN TO CONSTITUTIONAL RULE?
Rayelan -- Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 19:29:11
IT'S PICTORIAL - YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ TO UNDERSTAND IT
Rayelan -- Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 19:38:33
THE TWO FLAGS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA *PIC*
Ghost -- Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 20:34:09
READER: HOW MANY STARS?
Esclarmonde -- Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 21:58:50
DEPENDING ON WHICH FLAG YOU COUNT - 26 OR 30
Rayelan -- Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 22:47:21
NO GOLD FRINGE IN A MILITARY SETTING....HMMM... *PIC*
Ghost -- Thursday, 30-Jun-2005 00:20:48
I COUNTED 28. INTERESTING NUMBER; WHEN YOU LOOK...
FarSight3 -- Thursday, 30-Jun-2005 04:42:05
POSSIBLY, SOMETHING CONNECTED TO RED/BLUE STATES... *PIC*
FarSight3 -- Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 20:01:53

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