Regarding your comments on abortion as follows:
Today pro-lifers say that abortion is a crime... but instead of proving that it is not a crime, let's consider the following:
Before the decriminalization of abortion, many women were dying from the consequences linked to clandestine abortion butchery, many of them leaving a full family behind and a husband struggling. Many young women killed themselves because ashamed of being pregnant and afraid of being rejected by the society...
Today such dramatic consequences still would happen, maybe for other reasons. Each era has its criteria guiding a range of reasons.
And more realistically: what would the exact number of orpheans be TODAY if none could ever have aborted? What are the social setbacks would we be facing, as I speak, and considering that orphanages already are filled with thousands/millions of kids waiting for being adopted... not to mention that a intuitively fetus knows when it is TRULY desired and that a child born with the idea of being rejected is already half-doomed, will succumb addiction of all kinds and deliquence more easily
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I am one of the girls who grew up during those dark times, I had friends who had those back street abortions... I think I can speak to the horror of what women went through from an up close and personal point of view. No, I did not have anyone die as a result of a back street abortion but I did have friends who suffered irreperable psychological damage from from them. But I also have friends who suffer long lasting psychological damage from LEGAL abortions.
During those "dark" years, women who did not want to endure the horror of choosing the wrong back street abortionist, used triple contraceptive methods or abstained completely. Believe it or not, many girls waited to have sex until they were married. What a concept!!
A while back I read the statistics on how many woman actually died in those back street abortions... it is a lot different that the woman at NOW would have you believe. Let's not forget that the entire abortion issue was created to divide and conquer the burgeoning woman's movement. If woman like Gloria Steinham had not successfully divided and conquered women, we would probably have an equal representation in government elected position right now.
Here's a chart showing the numbers of illegal abortions. Needless to say... when it comes to an issue that is a polarized as this one is... it is hard to find real statistics... but remember the reason for the polarization... it was to keep woman from claiming their true share of power.
Chart from:
http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_27.asp#But why then have I heard time and again that between 5,000 and 10,000 women died annually from illegal abortions?
The number of abortions each year has held pretty steady and about a million and a half. Just estimating, I guess there have been about 30 million legal abortions since abortion was legalized. The statistics I saw said that in the United States one out of three conceptions are ended in abortion. And for the better educated descendents of Europe these statistics are off the chart. While the illegal immigrants continue to stream in and have dozens of children who become US citizens at birth... the white Europeans have adopted a form of post coneption birth control and are choosing NOT to replace themselves. As such, the end of the white race will be seen in less than 100 years.
In my opinion, using the false claim of returning to the days of back street abortions to bolster your argument just doesn't hold water. Antibiotics stopped most of the deaths from back street abortions long before abortion was made legal. The number of women who died from illegal back street abortions is so minute it can hardly be seen when compared to the millions of abortions and the psychological effect they have had on the women who have had them!
And as for the orphan statement... I think you have been reading too many skewed inflamatory statistics. The number of orphans created by back street abortions was so minute that we can't even measure it... and if we returned to back street abortions.. today's technology would probably insure that there were virtually zero deaths therefore zero orphans. The logic of using abortion statistics so early in your piece blurred the point you were trying to make. I am certain that I didn't fully understand what you were saying, and I will bet that very few people got past your contorted logic to even read the rest of the post.
Just remember... most of the statistics put out by pro abortionists are put out by the new world order as part of their "breed a slave class" mentality!! Needless to say, the propaganda has worked.
As for the recent passage of the law to ban partial birth abortion -- or as I call it -- pre full birth infanticide -- the only losers are the body part sellers and the abortionists. But since the demand for body parts will have to be filled somewhere... maybe we will see a rise is satanic murders.
rayelan
: As I was reading some post in the thread entitled
: BLACK MAGIC: A DEFINITION
: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=32702
: ..... once again, yet and again, I came to the conlusion that
: no one can win an issue dealing with Religions. At the
: best discussing Theology [purpose of religions] makes much
: more sense.
: Ayn Rand: Man cannot change his nature.
: But its realization and fulfillment are up to him. Being a man
: is given to him - remaining a man is not....
: I am much more of a Classic Liberal [libertarian] than an
: objectivist though but Ayn Rand is right here.
: Faith will always remain irrational and therefore can be
: twisted for the best and the worst. And only that should
: allow us to question the validity of organized
: religions/sectes.
: Faith is irrational because it also evolves with society as
: anything else, and thus remain a risky tool of
: interpretation and therefore carry an inherent danger and
: threat. I am sure that during the Great Inquisition many
: thought of *It* as a 'fair' way to eliminate those not
: fitting the system.
: Today pro-lifers say that abortion is a crime... but instead
: of proving that it is not a crime, let's consider the
: following: Before the decriminalization of abortion, many
: women were dying from the consequences linked to
: clandestine abortion butchery, many of them leaving a full
: family behind and a husband struggling. Many young women
: killed themselves because ashamed of being pregnant and
: afraid of being rejected by the society...
: Today such dramatic consequences still would happen, maybe for
: other reasons. Each era has its criteria guiding a range of
: reasons.
: And more realistically: what would the exact number of
: orpheans be TODAY if none could ever have aborted? What are
: the social setbacks would we be facing, as I speak, and
: considering that orphanages already are filled with
: thousands/millions of kids waiting for being adopted... not
: to mention that a intuitively fetus knows when it is TRULY
: desired and that a child born with the idea of being
: rejected is already half-doomed, will succumb addiction of
: all kinds and deliquence more easily than the average.
: Every good action has it counter-action, which is negative
: and *otherwise*. 'The Right vs Wrong Concept' basically
: is erroneous therefore. The Ying and Yang rule the
: Universe. So here we are: only Rational Thinking [which I
: see like Trojan Horse] can TELL us what to do. And Rational
: Thinking starts with Self-Responsibility.
: Mentalities definitely change. A while ago as I was debating
: the future prospects of society, claiming that soon enough
: there would be legal and non addictive drugs for us,
: humans, in order to cope better with the daily stress or
: just feel better, many thought of me as madwoman for
: adopting such views... but no later than yesterday, an
: article in the NEW YORK MAGAZINE proved my point. Here it
: is: Pill Culture Pops
: With the stigma attached to mood-improving (not to mention
: sex-life-improving) drugs all but gone, New Yorkers are
: becoming their own Dr. Feelgoods, self-medicating as never
: before. Inside the new (totally respectable) drug scene.
: By Ariel Levy
: (Photo credit: Chago Akii-Bua & Brian Jones)
: Sound the alarm. there’s a new drug epidemic in town. And most
: of the city wants in on it. “In certain circles of New
: York, it’s just regular table conversation,” says a
: 37-year-old publisher. “I was at lunch with clients the
: other day—it was a totally professional situation—and I
: mentioned that I have to give a speech at my parents’
: fortieth wedding anniversary. I said, ‘I’ve got to get some
: Klonopin; I’m going to be so uptight.’ Somebody else said,
: ‘Oh, I always take a Klonopin before a big presentation.’
: One thing led to the next, and soon everyone at the table
: was talking about how they’re on Xanax or Klonopin or
: Vicodin. No one wants to go through the hassle of seeing a
: psychiatrist because they don’t necessarily feel there’s
: anything wrong with them. It’s just the way life is in New
: York: Everyone’s stressed about something.”
: We have entered the golden age of self-medication. Drugs have
: become like hair products or cosmetics: This is brain
: styling, not mind altering. The early buzz was that Prozac
: makes you a different person—changes you fundamentally, if
: subtly. But, habitual drug users that we are, we know
: that’s not true. You’re you on meds, only less freaky and
: more well-rested.
: We have been listening to Prozac now for over ten years. In
: that time, SSRIs (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors,
: in case you’re not on one) have become as socially
: acceptable as Sudafed. Not that long ago, the only people
: who used prescription drugs for their mental health were
: the deeply and obviously messy. At that time (the crack
: epidemic still raged), you wouldn’t have talked to your
: colleagues about what you took for insomnia, you bummed
: cigarettes off your friends instead of Ativan, and it might
: not even have occurred to you to take a pill for your
: garden-variety depression or anxiety. Now the question is
: not “Should I take something?” It’s “Am I taking enough?”
: Or “Am I taking the right one[s]?” And any lingering doubts
: we had about drugging our way to better mental health seem
: to have been washed away in the past two dark
: years.........
: http://www.newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/features/n_8763
: CONCLUSION: What is better?
: 1]letting the drug cartels and the phony drug war continue to
: damage society as a whole, when Drug Lords remain alive and
: well.
: 2]encouraging the Industry to persue their 'feel good
: research' and enhacing prevention?
: INDEED THE DILEMMA IS REAL!
