: Here is the article I believe most of my conjecture came from.
: Have to tell you, I get totally lost in Winter's stuff so
: one merges into the next.
: http://www.zayra.de/soulcom/enki/index.html
(Thanks. :)
: Don't know about the Tenen Winter Hoaglund stuff. (Maybe you
: will tell me?) Guess I've been too busy watching Pyramids
: on the Sun! (Have you SEEN THEM?!) AWESOME>>>
No, I don't know about those pyramids. Say more...?
Stan Tenen (MERU Foundation), so the story goes, came up with some information, some understanding, and some sculptures to go with 'em, that he freely shared with Dan Winter - and, per the story, Winter then sort of re-presented them as though they were original to him.
Tenen had copyrighted his stuff, though - but, the story goes, Winter declared that "copyright is childish" and "Information wants to be free!" The matter went to court; finding was in favor of Tenen. Or so it all says, here:
http://www.danwinter.com
(More disturbing are included comments at that site, that Winter supposedly said he knows much of the information he presents is meaningless and his audience is too dumb to realize it.)
: I am not one who makes judgements about Dove... Nesara is just
: post-shift energy bleeding through into the pre-shift
: reality.
Oh, _that's_ interesting; rings true for me as I read it. :)
: We haven't been capable of dealing with the world
: she portrays and she tirelessly keeps her energy going. We
: are way too mercenary; too busy making sure our neighbor
: doesn't find out the truth, to help Dove CREATE Nesara. And
: that IS what it is about, you know: WE HAVE TO CREATE IT;
: And grousing about how its not happening is NOT going to
: create it.
Hmm; I think I can agree with that - except the part about "we", whoever 'we' is, being too mercenary. I think it's okay to feel compassion for all the folks who are experiencing a "struggle just to get by" in the world as presently configured; and who, while that sense of struggle is present, are quick to deflect any idea that things could be otherwise. "Struggle" becomes the modus operandi, a felt-to-be-necessary 'survival skill' that one would feel should not be cavalierly tossed aside. Not every one of us needs to see the same vision at the same time; some will be along later (as the forerunners continue to do consistently what their vision leads them to do).
: Enough 'heart' has to be 'turned inside out' before we begin
: to live from Heart instead of from our brain. Nesara will
: not likely be something that can succeed until after the
: shift is complete and then it will be a lot 'softer' than
: it looks now and not based entirely on the green slime
: (money).
(hehe) Maybe. But, maybe, what's being called NESARA is already being formed by us, subconsciously, and finding focus in those few of us who are in position to lay hand directly to it and get it done.
You're saying, though, that perhaps it won't "succeed" until a shift has occurred. If it's real at all, I'd expect it will 'unfold' for some time to come; its effects will loop back on themselves, requiring a process of shift in order to reach its fulness, and also spurring that process of shift by its presence in shared consciousness. In that sense, no, it won't succeed to "fix all problems" in an instant; we'll still need to handle whatever we need to handle, each one for him- or herself.
As part of all that, the "green slime" as you call it will have a part to play. In some instances money will facilitate creative change, directly. In other cases, the presence of money would eliminate "the last remaining excuse" in consciousness. With money, no one will any longer be able to say, "I'd be a better person if only I didn't have to work so hard to keep my family fed, clothed, and sheltered," or to say, "You just don't understand these tough circumstances I have to deal with!"
Paraphrasing: "Before wealth, there is hewing of wood and drawing of water. After wealth, there is hewing of wood and drawing of water." :)
: This one bothers me. Watched it helplessly the other night.
: Even had confirmation on Unisys, green donuts all through
: that part of the country. I try to leave open the idea that
: maybe what the Radars were picking up were the 'good guys'
: trying to help...but...it doesn't feel like that.
We live in curious and interesting times. :) I've wondered what was back of that weather 'burp'; thus far I can't fathom a motive for it other than "sending a message", "showing off", or "practicing with my new toys". Dunno.
: No, I'm talking more the butcher, the baker, the candlestick
: maker kind of thing. Those who have no awareness and have
: refused any awareness of anything beyond the outside
: reality are beginning to jabber as though...I want to say,
: 'time structure' is no longer holding them up very solidly.
(Thanks for clarifying that.) Maybe it's the vacuum, a sort of "post-Iraq" syndrome. Everyone was feeling pretty steady pressure for weeks and weeks; then the pressure let up, but with no real resolution or closure to it. I think it adds up to (1) frustration, with (2) a doubting of one's own senses.
(Many folks, I observe, say provocative things, rather than ask a question; I think they're hoping others will either corroborate or refute what was said, in hopes of finding out what's really true, without "showing the 'weakness' of having no firmly held opinion".)
: Things are said out of context and money issues seem to be
: really apparent among the 'haves'. They are just now
: hitting the edge of the 'wave' and there is no practiced
: mental muscle to deal with it. Their wall of denial is
: beginning to crumble under their weight of ignorance and
: there is simply nobody home. Hopefully, many will make a
: quick 'jump'.
For some or many or most of the "haves", no doubt the presence of money and belongings has shored up their sense of being "safe" and "competent in the world". Feeling tremors in that foundation would have to be unsettling, at the least - akin to what we hear from folks who've felt their homes shake and prove themselves _not_ safe, during a good-sized earthquake. Some will find a different 'foundation' to build their living on - "a good thing", overall.
Human beings tend not to change significantly while comfortable (understandably). The corollary is, "It's useful to adopt an attitude that does not court or create discomfort but that welcomes discomfort when it puts in an appearance."
(Kinda like oliverhaddo's attitude toward manure - he says it tells him there's gotta be a pony around there somewhere. :)
: Much is happening in us by way of Faith...NOT religion...faith
: in our own sense of knowing, which is not perfect yet by
: any means, yet certainly exists. Have had a situation where
: I have had rather large conversations with someone I talk
: to daily in a forum, but these are while sitting in my
: living room (off of the net) and no one else is there! This
: individual has shown up in two of my dreams as well. Very
: interesting. Nothing threatening; just there...and as
: curious about it all as I am. Am beginning to meet people I
: KNOW. I have never met them before, but they are as much a
: part of me as my hand. We're all experiencing some bit of
: this, I'm sure.
Not so much for me, lately, but yes, I know what you're referring to. It can be a large-scale wave or a personal one; an increased 'radiance' in one's own living provides the 'homing beacon' for others who might draw near. There is a sense of having known those ones before actually meeting them; a connectedness about which the conscious mind "didn't get the memo" ahead of time. :)
: Because we are entering into a time when our memorized ideas
: no longer support our reality, we must be ready to allow
: each other the leeway to simply be.
(Yes.)
: The only kind of person
: I find threatening is the one who wants to limit what I am
: able to discover or know. I think EVERYTHING needs to be on
: the table. I have a Mind; so do you; we each must be
: allowed to come to our own realizations by whatever means
: our godheads take us there. There is nothing to fear in
: this...fear only comes from those who somehow think they
: must CONTROL others: 'Well, I gotta stop this person from
: saying THAT, because someone else might believe it and I've
: got to protect them from their own ignorance.' These people
: are just AFRAID themselves and Control is the only thing
: they know how to do.
Yes. Here's the key: "The Truth needs no defense." If one finds oneself defending something it's useful to ask why, ask what is it that one thinks needs defending.
: And there is a lot of that on this forum.
Some, yes; there could be more. :)
: EXAMPLE: 'You can't say there is Planet X!'
: Really? Why not? Why does it matter?
: 'Well, because somebody might believe you.'
: Do you?
: 'No.'
: Well, don't you believe that each person has the right to
: decide that for themselves?
: 'Some people are too gullible.'
: Right. And your Government is using that excuse to keep you
: living like a mushroom too.
: -------
: It is easy to see how we bring this on ourselves, no?
(hehe) I like that: "_Some_ people [not me, of course] are too gullible." :) In Western culture especially, we place a very high, unduly high, value on intellect and opinion - but that's certainly not the only, or even the best, way to live in the world.
Often what may appear to be gullibility is instead "an openness to entertain possibility". To the person inside it, it may be that s/he is easily able to hold two contradictory views in mind at the same time, not "buying" either one but trying both on for size. To the person looking upon that from the outside, there may be a belief that even _speaking_ about such ideas means the person has "bought" them already. But the one on the outside looking in is really saying, "If _I_ were speaking about those ideas, it would be because _I_ had bought them."
: The problem is everyone is fighting for our Attention Energy
: right now. It is because we are walking away from the
: System in such large numbers that is causing it to fall.
: Thus they try to terrorize us to keep us going back to the
: pig trough of Fear, looking to them for help. Then they
: encapsulate our energy.
(hehe) "...pig trough of Fear" - I like it. :)
: Personally, I find no fear in the amazing spectacle that is
: playing out in the sky. I am a Solar junkie, no excuses! I
: don't know for certain what will happen in any specific way
: and I have way too many pieces of the puzzle not to know
: that SOMETHING HUGE IS GOING DOWN. I'm just not sure who
: the players are and I don't know where to go to buy a
: program, so I'm just me in the moment. Giving out my little
: piece and letting it flow into someone elses who lets it
: flow into another. I was tickled to discover in Dan Winters
: article, part of a thread I had posted at Godlike. It was
: such a shock! But that is how we do it: Connecting up the
: dots through each others research! Once can almost see that
: we are making our own grid!!!
(Yes.) I think Internet is "practice" for something yet to come, that will have no wires.
: Nice talking to you, hobie.
: Love and Light,
(And to you; thank you.)
--hobie
Serving Freedom
and Liberty
