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THANK-YOU ZAPPER

Posted By: Gnostic
Date: Friday, 7-Sep-2001 19:50:17

In Response To: Forum Prime Directive, "The Right to Disagree" (ZAPPER)

The thought and spirit that went into "the Right to Dissagree" tells me that someone indeed has great insight (Rayelan). It is sad though that too many have no desire in discussing the information in a civil way. To accomplish the task set forth in the item at the above link takes great character. It certainly separates the ego from the soul!

Over the past 6 years that I have been part of the web-a-fun I have learned in all to hard of a manner that pushing people's personal buttons it just to damn easy. And it shouldn't be! If someone says something you do not agree with then simply bring back information that will reveal the error in a constructive way, just bringing in personal bias and fears seems to only scortch the process with temper which always leads to illogical and gross conclusions of the matter!

I have been away for some time now with business and have skimmed this page often. Yet all too often I see too much personal confrontation between the very ones that are supposed to be attempting to work at this together. The enemy sits back and just laughs when they see that their opponents cannot even get their own acts together.

I so agree with the message above that we need to first understand how and why people think the way they do and then approach it from that manner. If we only use verbages against the writer and attempt to vilify that person, then what has really been gained? NOTHING!

I realize at times some people can strike a chord, what I like calling a pet peeve and it creates problems, but coming back at that person and relegating them down to a low life simply because they utter phrases that appear to go against the eb and flow of what some deem apropos, is only exasperating the problem and at times is imitating the problem, resulting in the action as being exactly what the argument was over!

An old friend use to say to me, never judge anyone no matter what they say until you are willing to walk a mile in their shoes. Of course usually when you have anytime at all in another's shoes you realize real quick that your initial summary of the problem was way off base and usually based via your ideas that were also part of an incorrect belief system!

We live in a society that has created such a barrier between minds that it is going to get harder to reach one another until the great shake-up. Too many are living their lives with deep scars that penetrate the portals of our souls. There is a lot of hurt and pain and because of this there is distrust of one another.

Catch phrases and political correct ideologies are replacing common sense and thwarting true interaction between one another. One person can no longer espouse their deep beliefs for fear someone will attack them from one point to another. I have seen more and more people climbing into the cave of protection and simply hiding away from the rest because the pain is too great.

That is why I applaud the information above as the 'agents creed' because it takes character to perform. It reveals in simple honesty that even if you do not agree with another's deep feelings and or faith in this or that subject, you can learn to understand why they feel the way they do, possibly in hopes to create some sort of conformity of thought!

I was raised a Christian for over 30 years of my life and in the last 12 years, I have become a Gnostic. Due to this change I have come into tanglements with those of my former beliefs. I know why they feel the way they do and I know how important that is for them.

As a Gnostic one thing I am even working on myself is to be patient and always willing to allow people to remain with their beliefs. Lets be honest, I don't want people agreeing with me simply because I say something nor should you, what kind of development would that be?

I had to learn my life changing events through experience and trial and error. It took me years to overcome certain problems I had and I am still daily working on even more. So how I can expect someone of whatever belief system to immediately see eye to eye with what I believe now. That is ridiculous and extremely naive!

Traveling as much as I have through out my life, I have been blessed with being around many people's, ideologies and belief systems. It reveals to me that truly we are not all that different, except we have certain tiny little dogmas that are what I call balance beams in our lives that tend to muddy the waters so to speak! Everyone has them, athiest, scientist, religious etc... The little dogma beams are those small pet peeves that enrage us when we feel our belief system is being attacked. Many will unleash their dogmas beams against one another as a protective device.

Sadly the dogma beams are slowly but surely becoming not even ours anymore, they have been created by certain ones that are doing their best to screw everything up and create ultimate confusion. So they tell us that our new dogma beam will be such and such, usually named political correctness! They implant social confusion into our lives to create a gulf between one another that becomes so great we forget who we truly are and we start seeing one another as the enemy, which in truth we really aren't!

The real enemy today is utter confusion and a displaced hope. These two enemies will indeed destroy the strongest of fortresses. I have even seen it within myself and I have to fight like mad to rebound. For at times you begin to wonder if anything you believe in is correct because the diversity of thought with the increase of knowledge is becoming overwhelming, i.e. exactly what the operarators want!

I truly believe that the only way to survive the calamitous events ahead created by knowledge running amuck, that which will stage a war of confusion, is to begin to understand one another even if it hurts!

Let em throw stones, let em throw names and in the end go an wrap your arms around them and say, what can I do to help!

We need to become less defensive and more responsive to helping one another. We need to look out for each other's needs and not be so self-centered. And we need to re-confirm their hopes and the plan of their true existence. As we do this we shall begin to brighten up one another and create a family which we really are anyway!

Cheers, GNOSTIC

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Forum Prime Directive, "The Right to Disagree"
ZAPPER -- Friday, 7-Sep-2001 13:48:19
THANK-YOU ZAPPER
Gnostic -- Friday, 7-Sep-2001 19:50:17
(Well said -- thanks back.)
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